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Postby Fleetleader101 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:46 pm

Yikes better get the original script then. To the library!

Yeah in this show little things like intent mean a whole lot, but on the other hand didn't Anno himself say that eva should mean w.e it does to us and that his opinion isn't what truly matters?

I guess to me the general story is the same in no matter what dub it is in, but this does make my (one line from an episode is exactly like the ending) only valid for the english dub. Which by no means indicates the true intent of the director.

I would still maintain though that the exact ending line in any of the versions would have been very specific and I highly doubt would be just a quick write in. There is intent in those final words. So, what is the Japanese line then and how does that roughly translate?

Ive heard the I Feel Sick thing in the past.
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Postby TehDonutKing » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:50 pm

This is terrible.
This is disgusting.
This is sick.
This is bad.
I feel terrible.
I feel disgusting.
I feel sick.
I feel bad.
How terrible.
How disgusting.

There are many ways to translate it; kimochi warui is just a general statement of disgust.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:06 pm

@Fleetleader101 this may help [url]http://wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:End_of_Evangelion_Screenplays[/url].
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Postby Seen » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:20 pm

"Feels bad, man."

There you go.
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Postby ReiAyanami25 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:10 pm

View Original PostOrnette wrote:Why does she feel sick? (and it isn't morning sickness)

I think that her saying she feels sick is not meant to be taken literally, it is just to indicate that she is disgusted by Shinji.
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Postby John » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:39 pm

I always thought it was some kind of ehmm... "I know what you people (who are watching this movie) are thinking".

Being the end of everything, telling you on your face: "GTFO and get a life" and almost explaining that everyone will comeback IF they want to (just to leave an open ending), all that Anno had to do was in ONE line express the emotion everyone should be feeling in that moment, because after all that mess, maybe no one would know how to exactly express it when "The End" appeared.
Now, you have 2 options and take it as your opinion: If you want to take it as "I feel sick/all other meanings" from Asuka, or "I feel terrible/all other meanings" after you watched this helluva movie.

That's exactly what I feel every time I watch this movie, and well, at least for me, it makes sense.
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Postby chaosakita » Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:04 pm

Not sure if I mentioned it in this thread, but Anno got the phrase after he asked Asuka's voice actress what she would say after undergoing what was basically Asuka's situation. I mean, the words can mean whatever you want, but I feel that Anno's intent was very clear.
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Postby Azathoth » Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:05 pm

View Original Postchaosakita wrote:Not sure if I mentioned it in this thread, but Anno got the phrase after he asked Asuka's voice actress what she would say after undergoing what was basically Asuka's situation. I mean, the words can mean whatever you want, but I feel that Anno's intent was very clear.


If you read the anecdote, Anno's intent really isn't clear at all, since Miyamura's response to his hypothetical is that the Shinji-figure is "a very strange person", not anything like "kimochi warui".
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Postby Jornophelanthas » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:59 am

I've posted this before somewhere months ago, but it bears (brief) repeating.

Asuka has always been the most fiercely individualistic and independent character in NGE. The things she went through during the final episodes of NGE and EoE were nearly all entirely antithetical to her character:

- losing the admiration of others
- being rejected by her love interest (Shinji) - or so she firmly believes
- losing her self-confidence
- being forced to relive her childhood trauma during mental violation by an Angel
- losing her ability to pilot Unit-02, and thus her independence
- attempting suicide, and failing at even that
- being defeated in battle (after she thought she had won, no less)
- experiencing death while helpless (very consciously indeed)
- forever losing Unit-02 (and thus her mother)
- becoming one with others during Instrumentality
- experiencing Shinji's masturbation over her helpless form - from Shinji's point of view - during (pre-)Instrumentality. Shinji, her former crush, of all people!

Asuka's appearance as the first other person returning after Third Impact reinforces her strong desire to be an individual.

Being an individual once again allows Asuka to put all the things I listed into perspective, which leads to the realization that none of those were good, and in fact very bad.

Add to this two final bad experiences:
- Her being helpless, with Shinji the pervert straddled across her chest strangling her
- Yet she still cares about him and caresses his cheek, thus betraying her own revulsion of him

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Asuka is disgusted with everything: herself, Shinji, the world where all this could be done to her, everything.

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Postby gwern » Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:04 pm

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:If you read the anecdote, Anno's intent really isn't clear at all, since Miyamura's response to his hypothetical is that the Shinji-figure is "a very strange person", not anything like "kimochi warui".


And then there's how Miyamura apparently didn't realize Anno was talking about Shinji in the hospital, or the draft's bit with Asuka being drugged and saying kimochi warui... What a mystifying finale.

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Postby GendoSnipes » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:28 pm

amazing scene. the directors cut episodes are the way to go. and all the director's cut scenes brilliantly help you along when EOE comes around the corner. explaining in this scene Asuka's decreasing mental state. if you keep this in mind when EOE eva comes around it explains what Asuka says in the last minute in the movie/episode26. Kimochi Warui" was used in this scene during her period/menstrual cramps. she also says Kimochi Warui" in EOE.and considering the scene, the tie to the director's cut scenes ( which 90% of the director scenes help expand on EOE) and the environment, scenario played out after Shinji rejected human instrumentality and what not it clearly shows that the infamous last line of eoe Kimochi Warui" or in the dub " how disgusting" with the theme of Shinji and Asuka being the only 2 people left on earth a sort of Adam And Eve concept makes the Kimochi Warui" phrase really clear. meaning " me doing it with Shinji is disgusting " the meaning behind the last line of end of evangelion. also during the flashes of live-action scenes towards the tail-end of the movie Asuka is quoted saying " i rather die than to do it with you" (implying sex obviously) clearly shows evidence towards the scene in eoe.
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Postby Bryan » Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:38 am

The most meticulously detailed and personal anime of all time ends with an essentially random reaction of a voice actor (who, as far as having no impact in the crafting of the story to that point, was effectively a random person). How could anything possibly be better than that?

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Postby pwhodges » Thu May 21, 2015 3:41 am

I'd like to offer another perspective on this.

In Nagi Asu when Hikari has only recently returned from hibernation in the sea, he tells people to stop bugging him by saying that he is still confused and disoriented to the point of feeling unwell, and he summarises this with the very same words: "kimochi warui". It seems to me that Hikari's situation and Asuka's are really very parallel, and so I looked for a paraphrase that I felt would work equally well in both places, and came up with "This all feels so weird!" or "This is making me feel weird!".

This is not intended to be a translation, because I cannot even pretend to do that; but in my mind it fits for both - without doing violence to the conventional translations of the phrase or possible references (in Asuka's case) to earlier events in the film.
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Postby Bagheera » Thu May 21, 2015 4:34 am

But aren't those events (in Asuka's case) directly relevant when considering how the phrase would be used? I mean, she's been mindraped, disemboweled by proxy, and strangled (twice) by this point, so that doesn't really match up with Hikari's situation at all. Yes, they've both just woken up, but the circumstances that led to both their sleep and their wake are vastly different.

I'll admit that "I feel weird" could certainly be part of it, what with "Kimochi Warui" being such a flexible phrase and all, but in Asuka's case I definitely think "I feel sick" or "How disgusting" is far more appropriate.
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Postby pwhodges » Thu May 21, 2015 4:41 am

It's definitely a case of each to their own, I'm sure; but those usual translations have always felt out of place to me.
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Postby SEELE » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:26 pm

View Original PostSeen wrote:"Feels bad, man." - There you go.

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View Original PostBryan wrote:The most meticulously detailed and personal anime of all time ends with an essentially random reaction of a voice actor (who, as far as having no impact in the crafting of the story to that point, was effectively a random person). How could anything possibly be better than that?

It is still "I feel sick" - and this is directed to pretty much everything (franchise, situation and the circumstances). The poster of the movie suggest that Asuka is alive, healthy and not as mad as Shinji might think she is. Ghost of Eva provided closure for me.
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