its not strange just never heard anyone mention evageeks before, im a lurker on many forums, neogaf however i am not since you need a paid for email to join their exclusive club and i hate that, similarly im not on somethingawful.
Forum demagoguery?
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its not strange just never heard anyone mention evageeks before, im a lurker on many forums, neogaf however i am not since you need a paid for email to join their exclusive club and i hate that, similarly im not on somethingawful.
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The Twelve Kingdoms discussion thread
Wait...Katana and AlexanderSoryuu were the same person? Is this confirmed? 'Cause that makes a startling amount of sense.
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And so we arrive at demagogy. - Hideaki Anno, 1996
And so we arrive at demagogy. - Hideaki Anno, 1996
No, they weren't, at least not so far as we know.
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Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.
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Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.
That was never confirmed and it's the first time I've ever heard of that, at one point both of them were in the skype group at the same time, their behaviour and personalities were completely different as well, Katana made many alt accounts that got banned but he never had any cause to make one when his original account was still functioning, which was during the time when Alexander was still around.
I thought it was all but confirmed. Before and after that incident i was receiving strange PMs mostly by Katana saying that Alexander was his/her boyfriend, that they were living together, they were switching accounts for example Alexander was writing as Katana and vice-versa.
There are other things as well that i never believed like he was hitting her, forced her to commit suicide etc.
Of course maybe i was getting trolled by Katana but some things were making some sense. The writing wasn't the same but why make an alt account and make it look the same?
It's just that some things she was saying to me were similar to the Alexander's PMs.
There are other things as well that i never believed like he was hitting her, forced her to commit suicide etc.
Of course maybe i was getting trolled by Katana but some things were making some sense. The writing wasn't the same but why make an alt account and make it look the same?
It's just that some things she was saying to me were similar to the Alexander's PMs.
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Re: Forum demagoguery?
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Just throwing my two cents in:
This would go a long way in killing off the majority of negative behavior. Before I found Evageeks I made a forum from a video game developers website my home for seven years, in 2012 they did massive changes to accompany more users and one of those changes was the removal of a ban on Political and Religious discussion. What happened afterwards can only be described as a tragic decline in both quality posting and an influx of garbage as veteran members jumped ship to other forums. They drove off what little remained last year with another site update and more bullshit changes on bans and rules but that's besides the point.
If you so desperately want to discuss such topics take it to news sites or political/religious echo chambers for your views, but even in the offtopic section, they really don't belong on forums that discuss anime, video games, and other nerd subjects.
Few to no partisan political threads
This would go a long way in killing off the majority of negative behavior. Before I found Evageeks I made a forum from a video game developers website my home for seven years, in 2012 they did massive changes to accompany more users and one of those changes was the removal of a ban on Political and Religious discussion. What happened afterwards can only be described as a tragic decline in both quality posting and an influx of garbage as veteran members jumped ship to other forums. They drove off what little remained last year with another site update and more bullshit changes on bans and rules but that's besides the point.
If you so desperately want to discuss such topics take it to news sites or political/religious echo chambers for your views, but even in the offtopic section, they really don't belong on forums that discuss anime, video games, and other nerd subjects.
Please just call me Ian, "TheFrisky" is more of a title.
"Knowledge seeks no Man."
"Knowledge seeks no Man."
I'm on the fence teetering towards pro political discussion, this forum has existed for a long time now and as far as I know it's never banned political discussion, just had a hard line towards it, the mods have been quite lax in the past few years, I remember them being rather more strict in the 2011/12 and they slowly lost their edge, they need to be hard on users again. There used to be plenty of heated discussions about Eva and films in general before I joined and moderation managed to deal with them. Also joining an echo chamber for your politics is terrible, you don't learn anything.
Overall I think tighter moderation would go a long way in providing a solution, users should know their place in the forum and not forget it either.
As for political discussion here, er, do we not already allow that, whenever anyone wants to have a go? Haven't we such a discussion going on right now? Do we really need an official policy making it a right? Honestly such a formalization might limit it just as much as enable.
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Tankred wrote:I'm on the fence teetering towards pro political discussion, this forum has existed for a long time now and as far as I know it's never banned political discussion, just had a hard line towards it, the mods have been quite lax in the past few years, I remember them being rather more strict in the 2011/12 and they slowly lost their edge, they need to be hard on users again. There used to be plenty of heated discussions about Eva and films in general before I joined and moderation managed to deal with them. Also joining an echo chamber for your politics is terrible, you don't learn anything.
Overall I think tighter moderation would go a long way in providing a solution, users should know their place in the forum and not forget it either.
There's no learning in an argument either, just people shouting at each other hoping the other will shut up and agree with their completely subjective view. I have yet to ever see a political argument on a forum that ended with someone saying "I learned something new and it really opened my eyes to my view." That rarely even happens in real life. My point is that posting with other people on forums over the internet is just like going to a social gathering of some sort, and politics/religion are the two things you just don't bring to a party.
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"Knowledge seeks no Man."
"Knowledge seeks no Man."
TheFriskyIan wrote:There's no learning in an argument either, just people shouting at each other hoping the other will shut up and agree with their completely subjective view. I have yet to ever see a political argument on a forum that ended with someone saying "I learned something new and it really opened my eyes to my view." That rarely even happens in real life. My point is that posting with other people on forums over the internet is just like going to a social gathering of some sort, and politics/religion are the two things you just don't bring to a party.
That is a rather cynical view based on your bad experience, is it not? I've had arguments with plenty of people and I've learned new things a long the way. It's true that people don't submissively accept the view of their opposition, people are too proud to do that, however it would be wrong to say that they don't learn something, also your view of a forum is your own, personally I don't see this forum as a party, more so as an actual forum. If I were to treat this forum as a party, I'd be on my toes, I wouldn't feel much in regards to comfort, I guess I've been here for too long.
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There's enough bad apples to spoil the tree. Not to mention with political discussion even with a side agreeing to change their views, it just turns into an echo chamber which Tankred said doesn't help either, but that last thing a forum needs is somebody that is trying to turn a place into one, that's what happened to my old home and I don't want to see it happen here. At least with the echo chambers people stay in, the behavior is quarantined.
That is a rather cynical view based on your bad experience, is it not? I've had arguments with plenty of people and I've learned new things a long the way. It's true that people don't submissively accept the view of their opposition, people are too proud to do that, however it would be wrong to say that they don't learn something, also your view of a forum is your own, personally I don't see this forum as a party, more so as an actual forum. If I were to treat this forum as a party, I'd be on my toes, I wouldn't feel much in regards to comfort, I guess I've been here for too long.
The way I see interactions my friends on forums have compared to how they interact at social gatherings, there isn't much difference. The whole "You're a different person on the internet" idea doesn't carry as much weight as it used to. If you feel so strongly about a subject online chances are you're probably not playing the devils advocate just for the sake of having an argument.
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I think Tankred has the right of it here. I know I've learned things from participating or just lurking in various politically charged (or otherwise controversial) threads, even if it's just crystallizing my own thoughts on the matter by seeing them tested.
Part of keeping this forum alive and well is remembering that it's a community of eva fans, not just a depository for eva-only discussion. Learning more about the various users here through threads that have nothing at all to do with the show enriches the whole experience. To be perfectly honest if it wasn't for the culture here I'd have long ago stopped visiting, save perhaps checking in directly after a new release to see what people noticed that I missed.
If you don't want to partake in controversial threads, just don't post or read them. It's an easy fix that doesn't intrude on anyone else's preferences. Eventually this might all be moot anyway... forum-specific bans (either by request or otherwise) may become more common staff practice in the vaguely near future.
Part of keeping this forum alive and well is remembering that it's a community of eva fans, not just a depository for eva-only discussion. Learning more about the various users here through threads that have nothing at all to do with the show enriches the whole experience. To be perfectly honest if it wasn't for the culture here I'd have long ago stopped visiting, save perhaps checking in directly after a new release to see what people noticed that I missed.
If you don't want to partake in controversial threads, just don't post or read them. It's an easy fix that doesn't intrude on anyone else's preferences. Eventually this might all be moot anyway... forum-specific bans (either by request or otherwise) may become more common staff practice in the vaguely near future.
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The old hard-line against politics and religion was that those threads just got locked, unless there was at least something really interesting about the subject matter or a post, then it got locked anyways. That's pretty much been the going policy of the forum until a few years ago when there were more active mods and we thought we could get away with letting those threads stay unlocked until there was a good reason to lock them.
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