-Log Horizon is boring trash with no stakes or attachment to back up its own hype.

Alaska Slim wrote:What's NTE?

New Theatrical Edition, incorrectly known as Rebuild of Evangelion.

Nuclear Lunchbox wrote:New Theatrical Edition, incorrectly known as Rebuild of Evangelion.

So you think you could follow what was happening, without having seen the series for context?

Alaska Slim wrote:So you think you could follow what was happening, without having seen the series for context?

I really don't think there's any problem for viewer in that department before Q - and with Q having seen original series is hardly help at all.

If anything the subtle settei changes and alike that became apparent in 2.22 while instantly graspable from film itself did cause quite a lot headscratching among us hardcore fans I remember. "But wait isn't it like this that bit doesn't make any se-oh wait no they've changed that" moments in forum afterwards were common.

Well, yeah. I do-- like Xard said, there's not much of a leap from Jo to Ha, and Q breaks away from NGE entirely. Watching NGE definitely enhanced my enjoyment of NTE, but I don't think it was necessary by any means. (Unless these new movies turn out to be sequels or something. Unlikely.)

- Eva 3.0 received generally mixed reception. I think it's awesome.

- [insert]monogatari is crap. I found the first two episodes with Senjougahara interesting, then it revealed itself to be yet another wish fulfillment harem. It just happens to have a different style that makes it stand out from others of its ilk. Nekomonogatari was boring, Nisemonogatari was terrible and I dropped the Second Season after a few episodes. The only good episode is the one where white knight main dude butthole goes stargazing or whatever with Senjougahara. The rest of the show ranged from "meh" to "boring" to "this is so stupid." If I had to say something else about the show I liked, I guess I'd say the first ED "Kimi no Shiranai Monogatari" is good. And the Nadeko and Tsukihi OPs were stuck in my head for the longest time. Damn it! I'm getting the urge to listen to them again after writing this!

- I like the OVA Kite. Not because of the porn. The cut version is far superior to the uncut one.

- The Book of Bantorra is brilliant. I don't know if this is really a controversial one. It's more like a situation where I am one of the few people who have actually watched the show, or at least that's how it feels. Armed Librarians unite!

- DTB: Ryuusei no Gemini was almost as good as the first season. They did kind of fuck it up by releasing the Gaiden OVAs AFTER the second season though.

- I regard Innocence as being better than the original GitS.

- I think the "terrible" anime OVA's/movies from the 80's and 90's are fun just because of how poorly made they are. And because they have such entertainment value for me, I like them a lot more than most people. Doesn't mean I relish in the poor storytelling and sexualized violence though. It's almost fascinating. You can see the the darkest parts of the otaku psyche reflected in some of these anime. Others are just funny in their poor conception and construction but somewhat skilled execution.

- Here's another one I'm not really sure about. I loved the ending to Shin Mazinger Shougeki! Z-hen and see no need for a continuation. Not that I wouldn't welcome more classic super mecha done right. Much better than TTGL.

- Air Master is the best fighting anime of all time.

- I'm not a big fan of Ghibli. I do think some of their films are good, but most of them rub me the wrong way.

- I dislike DBZ, Naruto, Bleach, etc., all those crappy shounen anime that are so goddamn popular. Though this opinion seems to be shared by many people who have seen more than 5 anime in their lifetime.

StarShaper7 wrote:I regard Innocence as being better than the original GitS.

You keep saying this, but I have never seen you argue why you prefer Innocence. I personally find Innocence to be an empty exercise of philosophical babbling whereas the original had a well-thought-out and brilliantly executed point.

StarShaper7 wrote:- I'm not a big fan of Ghibli. I do think some of their films are good, but most of them rub me the wrong way.

How is that even possible? I feel like cuddling into Miya-san's beard after each one.

- I dislike DBZ, Naruto, Bleach, etc., all those crappy shounen anime that are so goddamn popular. Though this opinion seems to be shared by many people who have seen more than 5 anime in their lifetime.

DBZ generally seems to escape a lot of the hate that gets heaped on similar big shonen shows like Naruto/Bleach/etc.. My guess is it's probably because many people grew up watching in in the 90s/early 00s and it's nostalgic for them. Hell, my father actually watched DBZ with me when I was younger and he isn't even into anime, so I guess it's got more of a broad appeal to it.

-I think korra and last airbender deserve to be called anime.

-I despise elfen lied.

-mirrai nikki has the worst possible yandere in existence, its like they forgot there is more to a yandere character than just yandere

-I prefer the death note movies to the anime

-Some things are better subbed, some are better dubbed, yes there is such a thing as being able to watch and enjoy both.

-Dragonball is better than Dragonball z abridged, which is better than Dragonball z, that is better than Dragonball GT

StarShaper7 wrote:- The Book of Bantorra is brilliant. I don't know if this is really a controversial one. It's more like a situation where I am one of the few people who have actually watched the show, or at least that's how it feels. Armed Librarians unite!

The truly awful CGI in the first episode may have put a lot of people off that one. It was one of those shows that achieved "hidden gem" status on /a/ at the time (almost never talked about, but always positively received when it was -- which is the best way I've found of selecting the series that are worth watching that are not just obvious fluff).

Rosenakahara wrote:-I despise elfen lied.

That's hardly a controversial opinion these days, in my experience.

Rosenakahara wrote:-I think korra and last airbender deserve to be called anime.

...but they're not. There is no getting around the fact that these are American-conceived shows, meaning that they don't fit in with the accepted definition of Anime as being a Japanese cartoon or animated film. Sure, if you want to nitpick and say that Anime is just how the Japanese refer to all animation then so be it, but that would still just make it good ol' animation.

Oz wrote:You keep saying this, but I have never seen you argue why you prefer Innocence. I personally find Innocence to be an empty exercise of philosophical babbling whereas the original had a well-thought-out and brilliantly executed point.

I think Innocence actually builds upon the ideas of the first GitS movie pretty well. But that's not what makes me like it more. In the end, it was the difference in the experience of watching each film that makes me prefer the second one. Innocence felt like a complete film, whereas GitS's ending left me feeling like there could have been a little bit more action. Not that Kusanagi's battle against the spider mecha wasn't awesome. I just needed an extra bang. I don't know if others feel that way, but that was just my experience with the two films. It's just me projecting my expectations, but, yeah, that's really the only reason why I prefer Innocence. Both are brilliant films.

Guy Nacks wrote:How is that even possible? I feel like cuddling into Miya-san's beard after each one.

Even after the ones that weren't directed by him?

Mr. Tines wrote:The truly awful CGI in the first episode may have put a lot of people off that one. It was one of those shows that achieved "hidden gem" status on /a/ at the time (almost never talked about, but always positively received when it was -- which is the best way I've found of selecting the series that are worth watching that are not just obvious fluff).

That's too bad. The visuals weren't always good, or even decent, but the show itself was excellent. I do admit that the CGI in the first episode was hideous though.

Alaska Slim wrote:We needed to see the mecha Godhand do his thing in modern anime visuals.

Additionally, the first half of the 6 OVA series was alright, I teared up watching the now considerably older characters revisit the places from the series, and I had only finished watching that two months before. I can only imagine what that must have been like for those who had watched the series 30 years ago.

Seeing that the characters you knew as a child have grown old with you, removed from the past, but not forgotten? It's the kind of closure Pokemon avoids like the plague.

That second half though... could have done without that.

To be frank, I believe the original Votoms TV series had already ended at the best possible point. But I do understand the nostalgia factor of seeing the old cast getting back together, almost as if we were watching an extended epilogue sequence.

I liked those scenes myself. I think they could have made Phantom Arc into a two or three episode OVA entirely consisting of that sort of content, with a few robot battles on the side in order to showcase modern production methods. It would still be equally unnecessary, technically speaking, but I couldn't personally object to that. As you've implied, the last part of the OVA is where all the underlying problems appear...and, by extension, reminds me of what was wrong with Shining Heresy, which is what lead to this turn of events. Ultimately, Chirico's story had already been told and I guess going back to suddenly re-open that book just felt off.

StarShaper7 wrote:Even after the ones that weren't directed by him?

Who doesn't want or need a cuddle after watching Grave of the Fireflies?

I didn't like Grave of the Fireflies. I didn't like Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan. You can see where I'm coming from. Watching a couple hours of emotionally manipulative tragedy porn just doesn't do much for me. They're important films on that historical level, but I've never really cared much about that when it comes to me personally liking a movie.

I won't deny that it's a well made film (Spielberg's two movies as well), but personally it just doesn't do much for me, like most WWII films. Inglorious Basterds is probably the only WWII movie I really like.

StarShaper7 wrote:I didn't like Grave of the Fireflies. I didn't like Schindler's List or Saving Private Ryan. You can see where I'm coming from. Watching a couple hours of emotionally manipulative tragedy porn just doesn't do much for me. They're important films on that historical level, but I've never really cared much about that when it comes to me personally liking a movie.

I won't deny that it's a well made film (Spielberg's two movies as well), but personally it just doesn't do much for me, like most WWII films. Inglorious Basterds is probably the only WWII movie I really like.

Same. They are all good movies I have seen at least once but tormenting myself for the sake of it is not my thing. The world is a fucked up place, I don't need entertainment to tell me that.

- Not really a controversial opinion as far as I know, but Rideback should've just been a straight-up sports anime. The Geassian rebellion horseshit killed it.

- Kaze no Stigma's anime adaptation was garbage. I know there are a lot of anons who absolutely adore the show because it features a bad-ass protagonist who doesn't take any shit from the obligatory tsundere and punches back, but the show is still uninspired, mean-spirited Gonzo dreck.

-Gundam 0080 did a better job of presenting the main themes the franchise is known for than the original series.

-I didn't find Spirited Away to be that great of a film.

-While I am not much of a devotee of harem and fanservice shows, I did like Sekirei very much. I wonder if it's because the manga is by a woman does that make the difference.

Xard wrote:I really don't think there's any problem for viewer in that department before Q - and with Q having seen original series is hardly help at all.

SF Debris had never seen EVaTV when he reviewed 1.0 and 2.0. He said he got lost. Maybe someone who was more anime affluent could have kept pace, but his experience has me thinking the whole endeavor relied on being at least familiar with salient points of the series to know what was going on.

Dr. Nick wrote:but Rideback should've just been a straight-up sports anime

Ditto. The bad guys had an aircraft carrier, what was she going to do against that? Challenge the other ride backers to a slope-jump contest?

Like G Gundam, it's conceivable they could have still included political elements, even without going so far as to make it a blood-sport, or making a contest as retarded as "if you beat a country in a contest, you get to keep it", but leading a guerrilla campaign is just too hoky.

Guy Nacks wrote:DBZ generally seems to escape a lot of the hate that gets heaped on similar big shonen shows like Naruto/Bleach/etc.. My guess is it's probably because many people grew up watching in in the 90s/early 00s and it's nostalgic for them. Hell, my father actually watched DBZ with me when I was younger and he isn't even into anime, so I guess it's got more of a broad appeal to it.

It's also that, if not outright invent, then DBZ was the first to codify the formula so it was semi-fresh when it first appeared.

Bleach and Naruto just took on the mold without doing a whole lot with it years after DBZ went off the air, after shows like Yu Yu Hakusho had already done the re-tread, so they overstayed any welcome beyond their target demographic.

Alaska Slim wrote:SF Debris had never seen EVaTV when he reviewed 1.0 and 2.0. He said he got lost. Maybe someone who was more anime affluent could have kept pace, but his experience has me thinking the whole endeavor relied on being at least familiar with salient points of the series to know what was going on.

Exactly.

The problem with analyzing NTE as its own standalone thing is that it is impossible to be viewed that way by someone who has already seen NGE. I'd be willing to bet that 95 percent of the people on this forum watched NGE and then viewed the Rebuilds and when they did, they already had a pretty good idea of the characters and story, especially because the intro to the film franchise was practically a cut and paste of the original series. Even Chuck pointed out that he liked and could follow 2.22 better because there seemed to be a more theatrical rather than television-esque presentation - 1.11 having a constant buildup-climax-resolve, buildup-climax-resolve element, while 2.22 flowed more naturally as its own film.

Bottom line is Chuck's example serves as evidence that even an intense SF nerd as himself found that Rebuild isn't as accessible to new fans as was Anno's intention. However, many people seem to think it is because most of them have already seen NGE.

I really wonder what he's gonna end up thinking of 3.0.