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Postby Grand Duke of Yashima » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:42 pm

Mari is a character looking for a role to play and not yet having found it. That being said I actually don't mind her so much, but she's out of place in the EVA world (perhaps deliberately so).

I don't think that there's truly areas that are "done to death", although certainly there are plot arcs that get overused in EVA FF. I hated Mary Sues until I read The Second Try and I thought overall it was executed well. I think that's the difference.

The same would go for S/A. It gets overdone because everyone sticks too closely to the personalities in the canon works, but it's difficult for it to be a good relationship if you don't see growth in the characters, and that means you have to go off the range a bit. If you can do that while still being true to the core of their beings you can pull it off but it's a fine line between doing that and going to OOC City.

I'd avoid any further cross-over fics with SEGA game characters, however.
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Postby Chuckman » Mon Apr 21, 2014 11:45 pm

Actually I don't think Eva has enough Sonic the Hedgehog. It needs twice as much, at least.
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Postby StarShaper7 » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:54 am

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Actually I don't think Eva has enough Sonic the Hedgehog. It needs twice as much, at least.


I couldn't agree more. Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik x Rei, anyone?

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Postby ElMariachi » Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:00 am

View Original PostGrand Duke of Yashima wrote:I hated Mary Sues until I read The Second Try and I thought overall it was executed well.

You mean Peggy Sue, no? When a character goes back in time to fix his past mistakes.
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Postby Kendrix » Tue Apr 22, 2014 6:34 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:^
That's what I wanted to say in my now almost habitual loquaciousness : Mari superficially looks like a Mari Sue, but actually subvert it to the point that her incidence on the plot is almost null, her only moment of true influence on the plot being when she interacted a second time with Shinji during Zeruel's battle, as if the narrative forced her to be a part of the "old plot" to have a relevance


Except nothing about those interviews suggest any Mary-Sue like intentions, instead, they go on and on about the serious brain-whacking everyone involved in the making of 2.0 went through to try and make her a character who would bring something new and relevant to the plate (and how hard this was to do when you already have Rei and Asuka) - this is simply conjecture of ppl who didn't pay attentio or just don't find her appealing to their personal taste.

Also, she basically singlehandedly saves the world at the end of Q... I call that some major plot importance there. Her personality is exactly what it needs to be like for her to both take that plunge, and shoot Shinji out instead of killing him or at least doing something that would destroy him along with EVA13 - neither we nor WILLE have any idea just how neutralized it really is, and with her arms about to christalize and the EVA in free fall, getting him out and then destroying it wasn't an option.

(One might reply that destroying it at all wasn't even on the menu, but regardless of how limited Mari's options were, Anno's weren't, and he showed us Mari clearly displaying the intention to help, "I'm comming for you.")


Still, there's a bit of karmic justice to see Anno find it hard to rewrite his rigid plot structure. It's like he was made to feel the pain of all the fanfiction writers.



Now that we're on the subject, though: Good Mari fanfiction (that isn't brainless Yuri porn) is sure lacking.
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Postby SEELE » Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:46 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Except nothing about those interviews suggest any Mary-Sue like intentions, instead, they go on and on about the serious brain-whacking everyone involved in the making of 2.0 went through to try and make her a character who would bring something new and relevant to the plate (and how hard this was to do when you already have Rei and Asuka) - this is simply conjecture of ppl who didn't pay attentio or just don't find her appealing to their personal taste.

Also, she basically singlehandedly saves the world at the end of Q... I call that some major plot importance there. Her personality is exactly what it needs to be like for her to both take that plunge, and shoot Shinji out instead of killing him or at least doing something that would destroy him along with EVA13 - neither we nor WILLE have any idea just how neutralized it really is, and with her arms about to christalize and the EVA in free fall, getting him out and then destroying it wasn't an option.

(One might reply that destroying it at all wasn't even on the menu, but regardless of how limited Mari's options were, Anno's weren't, and he showed us Mari clearly displaying the intention to help, "I'm comming for you.")


Still, there's a bit of karmic justice to see Anno find it hard to rewrite his rigid plot structure. It's like he was made to feel the pain of all the fanfiction writers.



Now that we're on the subject, though: Good Mari fanfiction (that isn't brainless Yuri porn) is sure lacking.


Yeah you are right. Asuka command her to take care of Baka-Shinji (which is a great trust in her if you ask me). Asuka knew that this would coming. We never actually see what happens between the Q!Rei while she isnt at "home". About the good Mari ff ... you can barely characterize her. She seems a bit philosophical, cynic and playfull. She is able to pilot Unit 02 (because? never explained. Might be Asukas half sister/or something like that. Or Shinji and Asuka time travel daughter :lol: ) The problem is: She rarely interacts with the cast of RoE. But like Asuka said in Q. She is the girl with the connections. Therefore she must have had insight of things that Kaji (in one way) knew. Good fictions without source material are not manageable.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:03 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:Still, there's a bit of karmic justice to see Anno find it hard to rewrite his rigid plot structure. It's like he was made to feel the pain of all the fanfiction writers.
But it's quite easy -- you just give a little nudge and watch the changes snowball...
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:18 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that time-loop fanon thing that keeps showing up in many of the more recent fanfics.
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Postby ElMariachi » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:19 pm

We did, a lot.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:47 pm

View Original PostExecutive Washington wrote:I think the only good fanfic that has this "peggy sue" plot would be Once More with a Feeling. Also, Dazed and Confused on SpaceBattles puts a nice twist on the "peggy sue" thing.


The only good Peggy Sues are the ones that send multiple people back. If this doesn't happen the protagonist becomes a manipulative stalker and pseudo-rapist by default, and it's hard to unsee that once you grasp the implications. OMWF is a perfect example of this. Unbroken is as well, albeit from the other side of things.

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Asuka X Shinji fics- lemon or otherwise. It's the most overused pairing by far, and it's very rarely done well. Usually, Shinji, Asuka or both will be turned horribly OOC- Shinji will become some kind of motorcycle-riding badass, or Asuka will turn into a simpering moeblob. Coupled with my own dislike of this particular ship (the fact that it require major character bending to work at all shows it really isn't viable, except in exceptionally silly/deliberately OOC fics or non-romantic lemons), and the merest whiff of an AxS is enough to make my skin crawl.


Er, it's the only pairing that's even remotely plausible by the end of the story. And I mean that in the most literal sense -- until humans show up again no other pairing is even possible, and even when they do the other candidates for both individuals aren't coming back. So unless you're running with an OC you're pretty much stuck with these two. As for the plausibility argument, see standard therapy/growing up/shared life experiences/near-identical basic needs and desires and go from there. Plenty of real life couples have succeeded with far less to work with.

I agree that it sucks when the characters are written poorly, but that's nothing to do with the pairing.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:11 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:The only good Peggy Sues are the ones that send multiple people back. If this doesn't happen the protagonist becomes a manipulative stalker and pseudo-rapist by default, and it's hard to unsee that once you grasp the implications. .


They don't have to be, the writers just can't detangle themselves from "Save (girl of choice)".
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:16 pm

Agreed. If a character had a chance to go back and make things right, knowing everything that would happen...well, it's a given they might fixate on someone they knew who died, but would everything really be devoted to saving that person?

Or would they actually try and use their knowledge to some other end? Like, if I save the world, I save this person, too.
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Postby SEELE » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:24 pm

Most done to death

mh i thought about it. Shipping fics are usually common and not really done to death. (more for Rei/Shinji then Asuka/Shinji). Its more the way you present it. Harem's are usuall meant for typical Shonen manga/anime's. Done to death is definitively the peggy-sue where Shinji becomes a badass/hypocrite or something like that. Ooc is common but people must think of the Why. Self Inserts are basically a death sentence and done to death. While i have to admit that an extracanonical character (like Kendrix did) used as "something new" are acceptable or (plot device) secondary character with only some appearance (also good example from Kendrix). Done to death is something like "i start to writing at episode 8/15/24" (i know they are not that much but its done to death) or rivival of Kaworu fics. The whole "i make slightly changes between the characters" are also wishful thinking and retelling. God i hate these guys. If you want to make something special? - Make a AU under the premise of the NGE-show and EoE. As for my example i made a multi crossover between Manga-NGE-RoE and some extracanonical characters or angels. And nobody is eager enough to write a whole story. We only have some barely good crossovers at all. Shinji and W40k is without a little bit knowledge of Dawn of War/Tabletop pretty frustrating.
peggy sue = :facepalm:
AU with a starting point at [insert episode nr.] = :facepalm:
Shipping (combined with the points above) = :facepalm: :um:
Shipping at Post 3. Impact = :shifty:
complete AU with or without Evangelions = :lol: (nobody is writing 700.000 words like Kendrix)
mature/depressing/dark or death fic in general = -o-; (way to less)
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good crossover = we need more

I didn't contain Lemon's or Lime's because i think its not that important. Unless its S/R with some issues. WHAHAHA!!!
Higher Learning was one of the only "peggy sues" which started pretty late in NGE and wasnt that bad (the writing was quite well).
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:35 pm

You know what gets done a lot? Stories where a character leaves for years then comes back in a dramatic fashion. Not that I don't love those stories

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Postby SEELE » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:42 pm

View Original PostChaddyManPrime wrote:You know what gets done a lot? Stories where a character leaves for years then comes back in a dramatic fashion. Not that I don't love those stories


What you mean in particular? Q? Nah, its Anno ... he can do that. Tears from little Puppy-kun are so delicious.
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:49 pm

View Original PostElMariachi wrote:We did, a lot.

There's a lot of mention of Peggy Sue in this thread, yes. But when I see a fic labeled Time Loop, especially at AO3, it is almost always the characters having deja wu-filled meeting sensing they've met before in some other time/space - but without solid memories to back it up. Almost invariably, a relationship then blossoms quickly between the characters, even though neither have full knowledge of their being Peggy Sues themselves. That kinda fic has been popping up a lot since the first Rebuild movie came out.
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Postby ChaddyManPrime » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:50 pm

View Original PostSEELE wrote:What you mean in particular? Q? Nah, its Anno ... he can do that. Tears from little Puppy-kun are so delicious.


That too but I was thinking more along lines of Dark Kabbalah, Heaven and Hell, Broken Home, The Somewhere out there series, etc etc

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Postby Bagheera » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:54 pm

View Original PostGob Hobblin wrote:Agreed. If a character had a chance to go back and make things right, knowing everything that would happen...well, it's a given they might fixate on someone they knew who died, but would everything really be devoted to saving that person?

Or would they actually try and use their knowledge to some other end? Like, if I save the world, I save this person, too.


It doesn't matter, since he's stuck manipulating people and lying to them no matter what. Think about how you would feel if you found out someone close to you knew shit you probably didn't want them to know, and was using that information to guide your actions "for your own good". Even in the most benign of scenarios that's pretty skeevy, far moreso if the person's a love interest.

But as I said, this is far less of an issue if multiple people go back. It can also sorta work if the person who goes back is up front about it from the get go, but that rarely happens.
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Postby Chuckman » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:58 pm

You say that as if it's an issue merely to be avoided rather than embraced to provide dramatic tension. That's not a problem, it's a plot.
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Postby Gob Hobblin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:59 pm

Multiple people solve the issue of honesty, but you still have a group of people lying about things...that's a conspiracy.

Frankly, I find the whole aspect of 'lying to the ones you love' fascinating. A lot of my favorite stories deal with people trying to balance aspects of themselves while living multiple lives (like criminals who try to build a perfect home-life, or fugitives trying to rebuild themselves). One of my favorite movies (A History of Violence) deals with that in spades.

I think one of the big failings of Peggy Sues is they don't realistically address that facet of the story. The idea that someone has come back is hard to wrap your mind around, but the fact that they've been lying? For your benefit? That's an easy to grasp concept, and one a person would be hurt or even furious about, due to the betrayal of trust, and the breakdown of this concept of the other person's 'self' as they presented.

Go ahead and give me the dishonesty. A moral character trying to justify dishonesty is fascinating. That's a good story there. Just don't cheapen it with an easy way out.
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