Eva Unit Format(s) and Name Meaning Discussion

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

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Postby Dovah » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:21 pm

Would the "transformation of Jesus" part sort of be related to Mark 09's transformation?

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Postby Blue Monday » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:59 pm

View Original PostBlue Monday wrote:Technically Eva-02α would've been how it was pre-Zeruel (I think).

Seeing the lantern illustration of Eva-01 again, courtesy user TMB...

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Note the 'α'.
So yeah, Eva-02α would've indeed been its initial appearance in 2.0/pre-Zeruel.
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:17 pm

Hmm. Knowing now that Unit-01 was indeed an "a" unit, I'd love to see any possible future iterations that it goes through. ^_^

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Postby Atropos » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:43 pm

Do the Mark Evas have souls? Both of them were piloted by people who were not exactly human, and neither is seen deploying an AT Field. Perhaps that's what the differentiation means.

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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Jul 22, 2013 3:53 pm

Well there wasn't any indication yet that in the NTE continuity the Evas contains a human, except for Unit 01.
Mark.04 Code 04C(the ones who attacked the Wunder) did had an AT Field, so the Mark designation must mean something else.
My personal take is that "Unit XX" is the designation for the Evas built by NERV, while "Mark.XX" is the designation for those directly created by SEELE.
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Postby Ah Q » Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:52 pm

I still suspect that Eva 13 may have something to do with the Key of Nebuchadnezzar. I suppose the Key of Nebuchadnezzar could itself be an Adam (similar to the embryonic Adam in NGE), which may explain Mari's description of Eva 13 as a "surviving Adams."

Speaking of the "surviving Adams" line -- someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Japanese could also translate as "Adams' survivor." I don't speak Japanese, but this suggests to me that Eva 13 might not be one of the four Adams from 2I, but something that was somehow salvaged from the Adams.

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Postby tootiredtoriot » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:31 am

quick question with the whole adams' vessel thing, figured that this was the best place for it as this started with a lot of discussion about the Unit being referred to as the vessel by Mari, but is it possible she's actually referring to Rei directly as pilot and not the unit itself as the vessel in the dogma fight scene? She appears aware as to who is piloting and says that Rei should leave before she turns into the vessel.
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Postby K40s » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:24 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:Another odd thing about Eva-13 is how the designation is written. It's エヴァンゲリオン第13号機. Dai Juusangouki. No other Eva unit uses "Dai". I'm not sure what the significance is, if any.
Checking out the Pacific Rim wikia I came across this:
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Kaijin: Human-like monsters.
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Maybe the "dai" refers to Eva-13th being bigger than a normal evangelion? it having a double entry plug, 4 arms and 4 eyes, it has been theorized that it's a combination of two (adams?) entities, instead of a single one, which would make it double sized or at least bigger?

is there anything indicating that it actually is bigger than a regular eva? during the battle with Asuka it seemed to be about the same as Eva-02'.

So "Evangelion giant unit 13"?? :tongue:

Edit: I just thought, maybe it's a connection to the "giant on the moon" or "giant of light" designations used for Adam? a confirmation that Eva-13th is indeed related to one of those?

Although if the Japanese wording for those designations also included "dai", Reichu most likely would have already picked up the connection by now.

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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:59 pm

Dai meaning big = 大
Dai meaning ordinal = 第


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"giant" as used by Eva = kyojin = 巨人
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Postby riffraff11235 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:42 am

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with TMB here. The only Eva we've ever seen appear bigger than normal is Mark.06, and that was only while it was fused to Lilith.
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Postby monitoradiation » Wed Oct 30, 2013 8:37 am

Personally, the use of 第 in Eva-13's name to me is just to emphasize it's importance (ie., "THE" Eva-13). I can also see it as a convention to add an ordinal after the 9th numerical number. Seeing that in Mandarin chinese (which I'm basing my impression off of since it's somewhat close to Japanese, I hope) one would not really use the ordinals for numbering things below 10 but would start at 10 and upwards.

That 大 is a homophone of 第 is either coincidental or wordplay, I would say.
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Postby andreh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:56 pm

After reading this post I went to check out the scene to see these symbols on the floor.
And then ... a crazy theory popped in my mind! (I'm probably wrong, so feel free to correct me)

1 - Apparently one of the symbols (calligraphy of the Dead Sea Scrolls/FAR language?) is associated with Mark09:
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2 - But why Mark09 would be related to a symbol of Adam? Maybe "Vessel" is a type of "Adam backup" created to serve/protect their EVA progenitor? (realize that all the Mark units do not require power supply). So maybe each symbol on the floor is a designation for each giant light.

Each Adam with his own symbol, his own "servant", his own MARK :bigeyes:
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:00 pm

Good theory, although i'm not really seeing the similarity between the two symbols...
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Postby andreh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:14 pm

Maybe they are not identical, but "similar".
(In the second print the flickering line is duplicated forming a 'square').
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Postby TMBounty_Hunter » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:45 pm

Before you get too carried away...

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Postby riffraff11235 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:17 pm

^I was flipping out when I first found this.
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Postby andreh » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:27 pm

Wow....my head.... :psyduck:
And moreover, I watched this show and I had not noticed it :headdesk:
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Postby Shinoyami65 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:50 am

The Adams are Power Rangers who crash landed on Earth and now seek to destroy this world so they can return to Super Sentai Land.

Wut. :bigeyes:
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Postby UrsusArctos » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:15 am

View Original PostTMBounty_Hunter wrote:Before you get too carried away...


No kidding, those are power ranger symbols? :rofl:
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Postby ElMariachi » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:26 am

Better : ULTRAMEN symbols! :cool:
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