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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:47 am

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:Out of curiosity I watched the toothbrush scene...My god. That was....disturbing. ... I don't think I'm going to watch Monogatari.

Like, ever.
I dug out a YouTube excerpt of the toothbrush scene a while back when germane to another thread (in the context of explaining the "brush your imouto's teeth" meme), and let it play out of curiosity.

I found it ugly, overwrought and tedious, and went back to completing the post after about 30 seconds. This is probably me vs Shinbo/SHAFT, since "ugly, overwrought and tedious" is pretty much how I'd describe Madoka as well, after grinding to a halt 2/3 the way through that -- just that the toothbrush scene was all the style that I didn't get on with in a much more concentrated dose.
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Postby Giji Shinka » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:38 am

View Original PostSquigsquasher wrote:
I don't think I'm going to watch Monogatari.

Like, ever.

Watch Bakemonogatari at least.

And yeah, Monogatari-series' fanservice can go sometimes over the top for some people. Though, i liked Nise. :D
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Postby Fireball » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:21 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:If those images are typical of what gets people worked up about Nise, then I have to say that some people are really easily offended (perhaps being European helps my perspective on this). Though I'm intrigued about what I'll find when I get to the toothbrush in a couple of weeks...

I don't think you understand. It's not the fanservice itself, it's the amount and how the tone shifted from a clever take on harem that was more about helping the girls with their problems and the occasional tongue in cheek panty shot here and there to straight up pointless ecchi in which every girl turned into a mindless cock hungry slut. And no, just because Nisio threw in some last ditch philosophy at the end doesn't give it anymore credibility. Maybe that's just me though, before Nise I held the Monogatari franchise in a slightly higher regard than your average harem series. I would recommend Bake to another person that's interested in some quirky romance, but there is no way I could show Nise to anyone ever. The incest pandering, the loli bath scene, the middle school snake girl that desperatly wants the D, the gay tomboy that goes straight for our MC etc. It's exactly the kind of degernated crap I hate about the genre so much. Neither do I think the complains have much to do with prudeness. I'm the last person that's against tits and ass but it's not like it's good masturbation material either since there is no penetration which makes it actual terrible porn. Really, the best thing that came out of Nise was the Oral Hygiene Bro story someone on /a/ made up, which was hotter than anything the show ever delivered. Even the maker feels embarrassed that they animated his fapfic and would have preferred to keep his fantasies to himself, that's how shallow the whole thing was.

But yeah, watch it, don't expect anything like Bake and enjoy the PLOT, though I think you won't like it considering your opinion on the GuP OVA.





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Well yeah, that was the expected fanservice episode that doesn't really fit as an end and somehow that's just exemplary for the whole series. You never got the feeling the show knew what it wanted to be. GuP clone? Upotte with jazz? Evangelion meets airsoft? In the end it was a weird mix of ideas that couldn't satisfy and it doesn't come to a surprise that the director has never done anything before. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, here is just a little example of how the the expectations and opinions changed multiple times during the broadcast

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It is funny that the show's major problems were caused by Gainax themselves not being able to maintain COMMAND, CONTROL and COMMUNICATION but then again maybe some habits really die hard. I'll give it credit for Yura though, whose fall and rise was a joy to follow and discuss over the months.
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She is definitely one of the better developed female leads and the series was worth watching just for her. Also Rento's voice whose actor was a complete novice stormed everyone's heart like an assault rifle.


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Postby Bagheera » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:36 am

View Original PostFireball wrote:She is definitely one of the better developed female leads and the series was worth watching just for her. Also Rento's voice whose actor was a complete novice and stormed everyone's heart like an assault rifle.


Yura didn't really strike a chord with me, honestly. I kept wanting to get into her arc but always came back to one simple fact: "It's just airsoft, man!" Would've liked it better if it was just a sports anime instead of something that tried too damn hard.

Also, really loved Sonora's voice. Loved the character in general (though the "master in America" bit was just stupid), but the VA was perfect IMO.
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Postby C.A.P. » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:39 am

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:"ugly, overwrought and tedious"


And I thought I was the only one who thought that way about Madoka. Expect replace "ugly" with "pretentious" and "tedious" with "realistic".
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Postby Fireball » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:56 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Yura didn't really strike a chord with me, honestly. I kept wanting to get into her arc but always came back to one simple fact: "It's just airsoft, man!" Would've liked it better if it was just a sports anime instead of something that tried too damn hard.

Understandable reaction as I often thought so myself, though it's a bit surprising coming from you considering there is a lot of Asuka in Yura too. What simply is airsoft to one is for another the world and anyone who has ever competed in a sport to compensate for the lack of attention will understand what a lonely path this can lead to.


Also, really loved Sonora's voice. Loved the character in general (though the "master in America" bit was just stupid), but the VA was perfect IMO.

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Postby Bagheera » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:21 am

View Original PostFireball wrote:Understandable reaction as I often thought so myself, though it's a bit surprising coming from you considering there is a lot of Asuka in Yura too. What simply is airsoft to one is for another the world and anyone who has ever competed in a sport to compensate for the lack of attention will understand what a lonely path this can lead to.


The difference is that Asuka has some Really Fucking Serious problems stemming from tangible real world issues. Mother's suicide, sidelined and thrown away because someone else is the only one who counts, mindrape, etc. Yura, by contrast . . . shit, I don't even know what her deal was. Some girls ignored her in middle school or something? Yeah, not seeing it. If we'd gotten some meaty background on her it might be another matter.

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Hahaha! Yeah, I can see that. She's got an impressive body of work, but most of it's slipped under my radar. But Kokoro, HSotD, and -Monogatari, along with Blast of Tempest and of course Q . . . gonna have to start paying more attention to this woman.
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Postby Dream » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:31 am

View Original PostC.A.P. wrote:And I thought I was the only one who thought that way about Madoka. Expect replace "ugly" with "pretentious" and "tedious" with "realistic".


You know, there is this person in my old who is (last time i heard of her at least) a huge fan of Madoka. Sometimes i wonder what kind of discussions the two of you would have regarding the anime.

On topic, i watched the first three episodes of Mobile Suit Gundam (or 0079 Gundam, no idea how it's supposed to be called)

Well, not sure where to start. It was as intense as it was impressive, and it was very intense. It's very rare for me to have such a positive impression of a series right from the first episode but Gundam really is amazing.

The first thing that jumped to attention were the visuals. Now, i knew things like the character designs and cinematography were going to be dated, but it still surprised me a bit how... Different, it was from my usual experiences with anime. It wasn't bad though, on the contrary. The old-school anime art and style were both pretty interesting in seeing how things were done back then, and managed to have quite a vitality to them. Overall, if i had to describe it in one word, i would use "static". Animations are generally "stiff", the camera doesn't move much, etc. But it "makes up" for it with achieved composition and captivating action and pacing. And like i said, the old-school designs were pretty cool and an interesting change from what i was used to, all those pencil lines...

The writing... Three episodes in i don't have much to say. Not because i think the writing was underwhelming (on the contrary) but simply because i can't find the words. Tomino sure as hell is a great writer though. Amuro Ray is a rather interesting character, and i was quite surprised at how three-dimensional he -and most of the cast now that i think about it- was.

So yeah, much more things to say but can't seem to be able to verbalize them properly. It's probably not a story i would have watched without recomendation (too much death and with a "hard" feel to it, plus i'm just not into mechanical things) but i can certainly see why it's such a remembered series. It's quite awesome really. Silly music (Specially OP and ED) and sound-effects aside.

One thing i am curious about, but that will probably be answered later:

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Did Amuro *really* accidentally kill his father when he blew up that Zaku? It's just weird that even 3 episodes no one even once asked "What happened with Lt. Ray?"
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Postby Oz » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:36 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Hahaha! Yeah, I can see that. She's got an impressive body of work, but most of it's slipped under my radar. But Kokoro, HSotD, and -Monogatari, along with Blast of Tempest and of course Q . . . gonna have to start paying more attention to this woman.

Yet again I'm amazed by how unrecognizable Sawashiro is. Despite her being pretty much my favorite seiyuu, it didn't dawn on me until now that she is Sakura in Q. What a chameleon.
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Postby Fireball » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:33 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:The difference is that Asuka has some Really Fucking Serious problems stemming from tangible real world issues. Mother's suicide, sidelined and thrown away because someone else is the only one who counts, mindrape, etc. Yura, by contrast . . . shit, I don't even know what her deal was. Some girls ignored her in middle school or something? Yeah, not seeing it. If we'd gotten some meaty background on her it might be another matter.

Well of course Eva plays in a different league but the stakes are also much higher. Yura may just play airsoft but she was still an outcast with crippling anxieties and got fooled by her friends.


View Original PostDream wrote:One thing i am curious about, but that will probably be answered later:

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Did Amuro *really* accidentally kill his father when he blew up that Zaku? It's just weird that even 3 episodes no one even once asked "What happened with Lt. Ray?"

Will be addressed later on


I'm surprised you started the series, most watch the movies - not that it makes much of a difference in case you are wondering. Don't worry about the deaths. The show is a meat grinder but compared to Tomino's other works it still very hopeful and deals with the topic of war maturely.


but, now that MGS is mentioned, I too watched the first episode the other day again because of the new BD release. My god, it looks so sharp on my big screen

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View Original PostOz wrote:Yet again I'm amazed by how unrecognizable Sawashiro is. Despite her being pretty much my favorite seiyuu, it didn't dawn on me until now that she is Sakura in Q. What a chameleon.

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Postby caragnafog dog » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:37 am

View Original PostDream wrote:The first thing that jumped to attention were the visuals.
Funny, I had the same reaction. I had braced myself for some really dated stuff; but after about 10 minutes I didn't really mind. It's certainly old-looking and has lots of QUALITY but it wasn't a chore to look at for me, and I really expected it to be.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:00 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:Well of course Eva plays in a different league but the stakes are also much higher. Yura may just play airsoft but she was still an outcast with crippling anxieties and got fooled by her friends.


It doesn't really ring true given everything else, though. I mean, why does she have those anxieties? Why does she drive herself to distraction when everyone around her's being so nice to her? She's accepted and loved by her friends, so what the hell?

I'm surprised you started the series, most watch the movies - not that it makes much of a difference in case you are wondering. Don't worry about the deaths. The show is a meat grinder but compared to Tomino's other works it still very hopeful and deals with the topic of war maturely.


I watched the series. Man, that was a long slog . . .

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View Original Postcaragnafog dog wrote:I meant the guy. You know. Pacifist hippie dude. I thought he was kinda shitty.

Oh! Kaifun. Yeah, he was a dick. I fully expected him to actually hit Minmay a couple of times so I guess he wasn't as bad a guy as he could've been.

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Postby caragnafog dog » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:07 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:I don't think you understand. It's not the fanservice itself, it's the amount and how the tone shifted from a clever take on harem that was more about helping the girls with their problems and the occasional tongue in cheek panty shot here and there to straight up pointless ecchi in which every girl turned into a mindless cock hungry slut. And no, just because Nisio threw in some last ditch philosophy at the end doesn't give it anymore credibility. Maybe that's just me though, before Nise I held the Monogatari franchise in a slightly higher regard than your average harem series. I would recommend Bake to another person that's interested in some quirky romance, but there is no way I could show Nise to anyone ever. The incest pandering, the loli bath scene, the middle school snake girl that desperatly wants the D, the gay tomboy that goes straight for our MC etc. It's exactly the kind of degernated crap I hate about the genre so much. Neither do I think the complains have much to do with prudeness. I'm the last person that's against tits and ass but it's not like it's good masturbation material either since there is no penetration which makes it actual terrible porn. Really, the best thing that came out of Nise was the Oral Hygiene Bro story someone on /a/ made up, which was hotter than anything the show ever delivered. Even the maker feels embarrassed that they animated his fapfic and would have preferred to keep his fantasies to himself, that's how shallow the whole thing was.
I think you're being a little unfair, as if there was nothing to it but the fanservice. What relevance does Kaiki play in relation to fanservice? Or Tsukihi being an apparition? Or how a protagonist defined by his altruism had sisters who constantly spouted speeches about justice?

Maybe you think the focus shifted for the worse, but I don't think it lost what made monogatari monogatari. Still plenty of interesting things going on.

Oh, and I still don't know where that quote that Isin wrote it as masturbation material comes from. It's touted like it came form an official interview.
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Postby pwhodges » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:08 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:I would recommend Bake to another person that's interested in some quirky romance, but there is no way I could show Nise to anyone ever.

Well one thing's for sure - this show really seems to divide people.
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Postby Fireball » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:04 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:It doesn't really ring true given everything else, though. I mean, why does she have those anxieties? Why does she drive herself to distraction when everyone around her's being so nice to her? She's accepted and loved by her friends, so what the hell?

The anxieties stem from being an outcast in her previous school. The distraction comes from the false belief that if she is good in airsoft she will get attention, then the whole sniper incident/tournament shit and Sonora or Rin were anything but helpful to her.

I watched the series. Man, that was a long slog . . .

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View Original Postcaragnafog dog wrote:I think you're being a little unfair, as if there was nothing to it but the fanservice.

I don't think so. I had to endure that schlock on a weekly basis and it's not like I didn't read analyses and made up my thoughts. But now that you name him, the show is pretty much like Kaiki - looked like an interesting play on thought but ultimately still just a boring conman.

oh btw, did I mention that everyone got ruined with bad haircuts?

and I still don't know where that quote that Isin wrote it as masturbation material comes from. It's touted like it came form an official interview.

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Postby caragnafog dog » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:08 pm

Well that clears that up, thanks. Couldn't disagree more about Kaiki tho. I'll have to watch it again and pay closer attention to senjougahara, but I won't try to convince you otherwise. About her or nise in general.

Oh, you changed it to something about hair. I don't mind the short hair.

On a related note, I'm curious to see how this nadeko arc works out. Hers was my least favorite part of bake but this seems more interesting.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:18 pm

View Original PostFireball wrote:The anxieties stem from being an outcast in her previous school. The distraction comes from the false belief that if she is good in airsoft she will get attention, then the whole sniper incident/tournament shit and Sonora or Rin were anything but helpful to her.


You're talking about effect, not cause. I'm wondering why she got so fixated on airsoft when she already had attention. Even after her flub in the beginning the group still liked and accepted her, and they were pretty forward with that fact. I understand that people are irrational and all but it was a tough sell even so.

Too much SALT for you? :hahaha:


Not sure what you mean, but probably.

I don't think so. I had to endure that schlock on a weekly basis and it's not like I didn't read analyses and made up my thoughts. But now that you name him, the show is pretty much like Kaiki - looked like an interesting play on thought but ultimately still just a boring conman.


I kinda have to agree. It's definitely the weakest of the series I've seen so far (excepting Neko, which I didn't bother with because Neko), at least IMO.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:27 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Not sure what you mean, but probably.
Referring to the "White Base needs salt" episode in the middle of the trek the long way around the planet, rather than just crossing the Pacific to get to HQ.

Personally, I watched the series because it was there on Crunchy up til a year ago, and it did for being the filler series when we were managing to watch a couple of episodes a few evenings a week, and didn't always have an even number of other titles on the go.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:34 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Referring to the "White Base needs salt" episode in the middle of the trek the long way around the planet, rather than just crossing the Pacific to get to HQ.


Oh yeah, now I get it! :lol: Yeah, too much crap like that.

Personally, I watched the series because it was there on Crunchy up til a year ago, and it did for being the filler series when we were managing to watch a couple of episodes a few evenings a week, and didn't always have an even number of other titles on the go.


I actually bought it, when I was in the midst of my buy-all-of-UC phase. I stopped before I hit ZZ or Victory, thank the gods.
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People's deaths are to be mourned. The ability to save people should be celebrated. Life itself should be exalted. -- Volken Macmani, Tatakau Shisho: The Book of Bantorra
I hate myself. But maybe I can learn to love myself. Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here! -- Shinji Ikari, Neon Genesis Evangelion
Yes, I know. You thought it would be something about Asuka. You're such idiots.


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