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Postby Chrad » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:10 am

View Original PostAlphaGamma wrote:Now that i think about it, i could even appreciate the ironic and bittersweet nature of their "first" and (arguably) last encounter, if it didn't go so openly against the final message i've come to expect from Evangelion (going forward, no matter what, and facing all the consequences of your action without taking shortcuts or running away). Resetting the entire world, deleting(?) the memories of everyone and, with them, their feelings and experiences, openly betrays that message.

It kind of feels like the manga just comes to an abrupt end, and has a sudden epilogue tacked on that follows different characters. Without the memories and experiences that shaped them into the people they are, these aren't the same Shinji, Asuka and Kensuke that the manga followed over the past 18 years.
If these are the same characters, it's a huge cop-out to say that they magically get to go back in time to when they were happiest (and become each other's mothers, etc...) and all the nasty stuff just goes away. If these aren't the same characters, but reincarnations, why didn't Sadamoto depict what happened to the originals?
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Postby pwhodges » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:05 am

I wrote something about this ending (which I don't dislike, for starters), but then realised that I can't properly judge it without an English translation of the preceding stage 95 - which doesn't appear to have surfaced anywhere (unless we can get hold of the translation that Kendrix did from the Spanish version which got unlinked by the mods).
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Postby KnightmareX13 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:09 am

so all this new stuff will be in volume 14 right?
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Postby pwhodges » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:23 am

That's right; volume 14 will end it (and the end of the 3-in-1 printing will be a 2-in-1 I guess). There are 156 pages to go in this volume (a dozen or so less than previous volumes).
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Postby KnightmareX13 » Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:25 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:That's right; volume 14 will end it (and the end of the 3-in-1 printing will be a 2-in-1 I guess).
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Postby pwhodges » Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:59 am

I don't speak Spanish; but with the help of several translation services and a little imagination I have thrown together a reasonable-looking English translation of the missing Stage 95 from the available Spanish version.

Here it is for anyone who wants it:
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Stage 95, Spanish -> English

========================================================95-01

Gracias - Adiós
Thanks - Farewell

========================================================95-02

Las almas son guiadas
The souls are guided

========================================================95-08

Shinji...
Shinji...

Madre?
Mother?

Gracias
Thank you

por haber recordado nuestra promesa.
for remembering our promise.

========================================================95-09

Ahora todo
Now everything

estará bien.
will be fine.

Todo ser vivo tiene el poder
Every living being has the power

para restaurar su propia vida
to restore their own life

si tiene la voluntad para asumir cue su vida existe
if they have the will to believe that there is life

en lo profundo de la realidad cue existe en sus suenos,
deep in the reality that exists in their dreams,

en lo profundo de los suenos cue existen en su realidad
deep in the dreams that exist in their reality

========================================================95-10

y ademas
and also

en lo profundo de la verdad
deep in the truth

cue existe en sus corazones.
that exists in their hearts.

Si cada ser vivo tiene la voluntad de visualizar
If every living being has the possibility to display

esa imagen suya cue existe en lo profundo de sus corazones,
that image of themselves that exists deep in their hearts,

entonces podrá ser un individuo otra vez.
then you can become a person again.

========================================================95-11

Pero
But

qué harás ahora,
what will you do now,

Madré?
Mother?

Velaré por ti.
I will watch over you.

Desde ahora y para siempre,
Now and forever,

hasta el fin de tu vida.
until the end of your life.

========================================================95-12

Vas a morir
You will die

y volverás a nacer.
and be born again.

Y no importa cuántas veces vuelvas a nacer:
And no matter how many times you are born again:

en silencio,
silently,

Te veré desde lejos.
I will watch from afar.

========================================================95-14

Vive.
Live!

========================================================95-15

Vive.
Live!

Levántate y camina con tus propias fuerzas.
Stand up and move forward under your own strength.

Está bien:
It's OK:

mientra la tierra, la luna y el sol existan,
while the earth, the moon, and the sun exist,

todo estará bien.
all will be well.

========================================================95-16

Adiós,
Goodbye,

Padre,
Father,

Madré.
Mother.

==============================================================
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Postby TheDrmcvey » Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:59 pm

Haven't read the translation yet, but the ending looks fine. I've never been a big fan of Sadamoto's writing because I feel like he never understood how to give the characters depth and emotion like Anno could.

But yes, the ending is okay. It's obvious he followed a simple narrative that we could all comprehend without thinking too much. Congrats to him on finishing his manga.
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Postby Kendrix » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:09 pm

View Original PostMarzan wrote: I'm somewhat surprised at how much Sadamoto worked at this manga over the last year. 3 years ago I though this manga would never be completed.
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...perhaps working on the Rebuilds put him in the mood for "EVA" again?
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Postby Chrad » Thu Jun 06, 2013 5:35 pm

View Original PostKendrix wrote:´

...perhaps working on the Rebuilds put him in the mood for "EVA" again?

Maybe he felt the embarrassment of his friends and colleagues working toward the conclusion of a retelling of Evangelion before he finished an adaptation of their original work.
View Original PostAlphaGamma wrote:I know people probably think that they are going to meet each other again and that it is only the beginning of a new relationship, but to me it felt very much like a "hello and farewell"-kind of meeting. Essentially a weird way to give them some closure.
The fact that Shinji tries to stop her from leaving (if i understood it right) but fails to do so (because Kensuke interrupts him) makes it feel like a missed opportunity that won't present itself again. Shinji blushing, Asuka thanking him (more or less) is probably all that there will be between them in the "new" world.

After a few days to process the ending, I think this is accurate. I much prefer it to my initial 'everyone is drawn back together by fate' interpretation, but it's still a a disappointing anti-conclusion and a cop-out.

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Postby cyharding » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:09 pm

The final chapter is going to be reprinted in the August issue of Young Ace due to this month's issue selling out.
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Postby UBERGEEKZILLA » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:56 pm

HOW DOES IT END!!!!??? I MUST KNOW!!!!! SOMEONE TELL ME OR PM ME

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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:39 am

View Original PostUBERGEEKZILLA wrote:HOW DOES IT END!!!!???
"Resetto Za Warudo!" ending, as you would know if you read the last week's worth of this thread.
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Postby InstrumentalityOne » Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:54 am

View Original Postcyharding wrote:The final chapter is going to be reprinted in the August issue of Young Ace due to this month's issue selling out.

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Postby SimplyMason0 » Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:06 am

View Original PostUBERGEEKZILLA wrote:HOW DOES IT END!!!!??? I MUST KNOW!!!!! SOMEONE TELL ME OR PM ME


Everyone forgets the events
Shinji lives a normal life
He doesn't pair up with Asuka. That stuff is out of context
Kensuke makes an appearance with no mention of Toji
Shinji still has Misato's pendant implying Misato, Ritsuko, Toji and Kaji might be dead. Though theories are going around with people reincarnating but that could just mean for the people who were alive and tang.
MP evas are retcon in to the beginning of the timeline(manga timeline) and its snowing implying 2nd/3rd impact has no angel or Seele threats. While I'm not sure the details, people THINK they were there the entire time so its atleast brainwashing instead of time travel. Possibly reincarnation.
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Postby elemileTLDR » Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:41 am

View Original Postpwhodges wrote:I don't speak Spanish; but with the help of several translation services and a little imagination I have thrown together a reasonable-looking English translation of the missing Stage 95 from the available Spanish version.

Here it is for anyone who wants it:
SPOILER: Show
Stage 95, Spanish -> English

========================================================95-01

Gracias - Adiós
Thanks - Farewell

========================================================95-02

Las almas son guiadas
The souls are guided

========================================================95-08

Shinji...
Shinji...

Madre?
Mother?

Gracias
Thank you

por haber recordado nuestra promesa.
for remembering our promise.

========================================================95-09

Ahora todo
Now everything

estará bien.
will be fine.

Todo ser vivo tiene el poder
Every living being has the power

para restaurar su propia vida
to restore their own life

si tiene la voluntad para asumir cue su vida existe
if they have the will to believe that there is life

en lo profundo de la realidad cue existe en sus suenos,
deep in the reality that exists in their dreams,

en lo profundo de los suenos cue existen en su realidad
deep in the dreams that exist in their reality

========================================================95-10

y ademas
and also

en lo profundo de la verdad
deep in the truth

cue existe en sus corazones.
that exists in their hearts.

Si cada ser vivo tiene la voluntad de visualizar
If every living being has the possibility to display

esa imagen suya cue existe en lo profundo de sus corazones,
that image of themselves that exists deep in their hearts,

entonces podrá ser un individuo otra vez.
then you can become a person again.

========================================================95-11

Pero
But

qué harás ahora,
what will you do now,

Madré?
Mother?

Velaré por ti.
I will watch over you.

Desde ahora y para siempre,
Now and forever,

hasta el fin de tu vida.
until the end of your life.

========================================================95-12

Vas a morir
You will die

y volverás a nacer.
and be born again.

Y no importa cuántas veces vuelvas a nacer:
And no matter how many times you are born again:

en silencio,
silently,

Te veré desde lejos.
I will watch from afar.

========================================================95-14

Vive.
Live!

========================================================95-15

Vive.
Live!

Levántate y camina con tus propias fuerzas.
Stand up and move forward under your own strength.

Está bien:
It's OK:

mientra la tierra, la luna y el sol existan,
while the earth, the moon, and the sun exist,

todo estará bien.
all will be well.

========================================================95-16

Adiós,
Goodbye,

Padre,
Father,

Madré.
Mother.

==============================================================


I'm a native spanish speaker and your translation is flawless.

Now: I just went through Stage 95 and this "Final" Stage 0 (as it appears on some english version). From all I can tell, what we see in Stage 0 is indeed the far future: the sea of LCL turned into a new primordial soup that thus evolved into a re-telling of the history of life on Earth (with the fossil Eva series as the only relic of the past cycle), together with a reborn Shinji that almost recalls the also reborn Asuka from his -say- "previous life". Therefore, as Yui says, as long as the Moon, the Earth and the Sun exist the cycles can keep going on and everything should be fine, since all living beings (whose souls were preserved in the LCL) will still have another chance to live, evolve and do things better; so, by all means, Shinji prevailed as a hero: he saved everyone for the next ride, as Yui wanted him to.

However, and since the last page of Stage 95 said that the climax will come in July, I'm up to believe that this was not the purported end for the manga or, at least, not for Shinji. In short: I think Stage 0 just went to show us the hypothetical completion of EoE that would have come right after Yui's last monologue if Shinji had remained one with the LCL, but we might still get a "One more final" -esque arc (in the legitimate Stage 96) as the definitive ending, with Shinji choosing to reject instrumentality and coming out from the LCL, come what may (Asuka or anyone joining him or not), to remain himself and be finally responsible for his own acts within the world he brought to an end.

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This could very well connect every canon Eva world together as the aforementioned successive cycles, also explaining the huge pile of Eva (the only remaining thing each time) that appears near Terminal Dogma in Eva 3/Q. Probably Eva 4 is meant to put an end to this repeating; probably it's just another term of an endless (thus pointless and irredeemable) series of failed worlds.

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:38 am

View Original PostelemileTLDR wrote:Now: I just went through Stage 95 and this "Final" Stage 0 (as it appears on some english version). From all I can tell, what we see in Stage 0 is indeed the far future: the sea of LCL turned into a new primordial soup that thus evolved into a re-telling of the history of life on Earth (with the fossil Eva series as the only relic of the past cycle), together with a reborn Shinji that almost recalls the also reborn Asuka from his -say- "previous life". Therefore, as Yui says, as long as the Moon, the Earth and the Sun exist the cycles can keep going on and everything should be fine, since all leaving beings (whose souls where preserved in the LCL) will still have another chance to live, evolve and do things better; so, by all means, Shinji prevailed as a hero: he saved everyone for the next ride, as Yui wanted him to.

That could be possible, seeing that the stoned MP-EVA were intact when they crashed back on Earth and are now barely recognizable ruins... but that still doesn't explain how this "reborn Shinji" can be in possession of Misato's cross. Besides if Yui and Gendo are now insie EVA-01 for eternity, how could Shinji ever exist?!

View Original PostelemileTLDR wrote:However, and since the last page of Stage 95 said that the climax will come in July

The prepublication magazines are released one month before the date they display : this is the July issue and the climax the last issue talked about.
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Postby pwhodges » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:44 am

View Original PostelemileTLDR wrote:Now: I just went through Stage 95 and this "Final" Stage 0 (as it appears on some english version). From all I can tell, what we see in Stage 0 is indeed the far future: the sea of LCL turned into a new primordial soup that thus evolved into a re-telling of the history of life on Earth (with the fossil Eva series as the only relic of the past cycle), together with a reborn Shinji that almost recalls the also reborn Asuka from his -say- "previous life". Therefore, as Yui says, as long as the Moon, the Earth and the Sun exist the cycles can keep going on and everything should be fine, since all leaving beings (whose souls where preserved in the LCL) will still have another chance to live, evolve and do things better; so, by all means, Shinji prevailed as a hero: he saved everyone for the next ride, as Yui wanted him to.

This is why it seemed so important to me to translate 95 (thanks for confirming it's OK) - because (as it turned out) in it Yui actually tells Shinji what will come: reincarnation in some form. To my mind it makes little or no difference if that is seen as the ending of a dream, a reset, a future cycle of the Earth, or simply the ending of one reality and the substituting of another - and to argue over which of those it might be is beside the point. The fossilised Eva, Shinji's almost-memory of Asuka, and the cross like Misato's are there to assure us, the readers, that Shinji's soul is the same, and has been saved; they have no other importance in the new reality itself.
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Postby elemileTLDR » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:45 am

View Original PostElMariachi wrote: how this "reborn Shinji" can be in possession of Misato's cross. Besides if Yui and Gendo are now insie EVA-01 for eternity, how could Shinji ever exist?!


This is a very long shot but both questions could be answered if, somehow, this time Misato effectively is Shinji's mother (which would also mean her final success on the task of parenting him and validate part of EoE's sandbox sequence)...

However, if that really was the final stage and winter is the sign that Earth can settle to this one route, well, it sucks. It has no poetic justice (just like the TV ending): it's a good outcome for a man of no worth. This one is the same old Shinji that never became an ethical subject, as he kept letting himself being in the care and control of others (starting from his mother) instead of assuming his actions as a product of his own will and carrying on with its consequences as his fault. I'm one of those who think that Evangelion is ultimately about ethics and its relation with responsibility (as a product of the need for otherness to build the very notion of identity/ipseity that constitutes the condition of possibility for any functional freedom), so I couldn't possibly see this as a fair ending. Shinji, quite simply, cannot be forgiven; he must first pay for everything to deserve an end at all.
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Postby Blue Monday » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:14 pm

View Original PostUBERGEEKZILLA wrote:HOW DOES IT END!!!!??? I MUST KNOW!!!!! SOMEONE TELL ME OR PM ME

You don't deserve to know if you can't be bothered to read the last few pages or so for yourself.
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Postby xdiesp » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:13 am

Man, what a cop-out! :lol: I guess Sadamoto was really exasperated with his fanfiction and wanted to do away with it.
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