It was an inference from looking at these pans. If nothing else, we can conclude that nearly all show various signs of deformity.
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It was an inference from looking at these pans. If nothing else, we can conclude that nearly all show various signs of deformity.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the transformation happened during the actual 3I. It would explain why Misato isn't a giant decapitated Evangelion. What you said about the FOIs being the work of the Mk.06 has a lot of merit, Reichu.
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Most of them look fine to me, except for some of the pylons that look similar to awakened unit 13.
One thing I've just realized though, they aren't all the same size. Some on the foreground are small and some others on the background are gigantic.
edit: well, some don't look fine at all actually...
One thing I've just realized though, they aren't all the same size. Some on the foreground are small and some others on the background are gigantic.
edit: well, some don't look fine at all actually...
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I'd like to note that the Tokyo-3 Failures are also without heads, from the pans that Reichu linked to. Most obvious one being the first, where it shows a bunch of stringy organs coming out of a neck stump.
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It looks like the shaft walls are made out of compressed FOIs. Like a sausage.
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Looks to me like the FOIs were once one solid mass and the shaft was cut through them. Those bright red sections look like cross sections of Evas at various angles. Are we assuming that they're made of core block material?
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I always found the bright red areas on the FoIs in the shaft a bit... odd ... I thought it was just the lighting that was messed up or something, but now that you mention it, it does seem like the FoIs were forming a block plugging the bottom of the shaft and that a cylinder was cut through them, the bright red areas being cross-sections of the FoIs where they got cut. this gets creepier and creepier...
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Hmm... But are they otherwise similar enough that that could be chalked up to a "deformity error"? Does the Mark.06 have that same stripe?
If you look closely at the panning shots in the Tokyo-3 outskirts, the Failures are literally coming out of buildings. Not bursting out: emerging from.
I noticed that part even when I made that post. Another possibility which allows the evolution to happen first is if the process of growing from human form to Eva form might have been like that of Lilith's transformation to GNR, consisting of an intermediary ghostlike phase but then becoming solid at the final stage.
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As Jinroh stated, I think it's important to note that the shoulder pylons of all the FOI look like what Eva 13 had before absorbing the core of the Twelfth Angel. Seems to me like the FOI were all trying to "awaken" but failed because they didn't have access to the core of an Angel... which could be the reason why we see them all trying to reach Central Dogma.
Also, in response to something that was mentioned way back in the thread: The tags "sealing" the entrance to Lilith's chamber in Ha are indeed inscribed with Lilith's name in Hebrew.
Also, in response to something that was mentioned way back in the thread: The tags "sealing" the entrance to Lilith's chamber in Ha are indeed inscribed with Lilith's name in Hebrew.
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Can we identify on which eva's image the FoIs were created? Reichu mentioned that it wasn't an exact match to Eva-01's armour, so who's the exact match? Mark.06?
That would reveal a lot about the Impact that happened during the time-skip and impact mechanics in general.Kaworu says the FoIs are beings blessed with the Fruit of Life, he also says that Lilith's vault has been sealed for 14 years and that it was there the epicenter of 3I.
He can't be talking about the n3I that Eva-01 triggered, the epicenter was way up on the Geofront ground level, we also saw Lilith during n3I and she was just chilling in her cross, nothing happened there at that point.
If the FoI were created on the image of the eva that continued 3I, I don't think it was Eva-01 because as was mentioned the armour doesn't match and shouldn't the impact that created the FoIs be an Adam-based impact? being the FoIs lifeforms with the FoL? I don't think Eva-01 would cause an Adam-based impact, because I don't think Eva-01 was a FoL life-form, I think Eva-01 was a FoK life-form and n3I was a Lilith-based Impact.
So which eva seems to be Adam-based and has the FoL at that point? it all seems to point to Mark.06...
That would reveal a lot about the Impact that happened during the time-skip and impact mechanics in general.
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00:50:53 {Shinji} What happened to everyone in the city?
00:50:55 {Kaworu} Mass extinctions are not unusual on this planet.
00:50:58 {Kaworu} In fact, they help drive evolution.
00:51:02 {Kaworu} Life has always changed itself to adapt to the world around it.
00:51:08 {Kaworu} However, Lilin do not change themselves, but the world.
00:51:15 {Kaworu} So they brought the rite of artificial evolution unto themselves.
00:51:21 {Kaworu} Old life is offered in sacrifice,
00:51:23 {Kaworu} so that new beings blessed with the Fruit of Life may be created.
00:51:29 {Kaworu} All this is an act of extinction that has been programmed since time immemorial.
00:51:33 {Kaworu} Nerv call it the Human Instrumentality Project.
(...)
01:05:28 {Shinji} The walls...?
01:05:30 {Kaworu} Yes, all failures of infinity.
01:05:38 {Kaworu} Don't let them weigh upon your mind.
01:05:42 {Kaworu} We're nearly at Lilith's barrier.
01:05:45 {Kaworu} The Main Shaft is completely blocked,
01:05:47 {Kaworu} keeping anyone from intruding over the past fourteen years.
01:05:56 {Shinji} It's like one big lid.
01:06:00 {Kaworu} It's all right. Eva-13 was made for breaking through this.
01:06:03 {Kaworu} The two of us can do it.
01:06:15 {Kaworu} Try to join tempos.
01:06:17 {Kaworu} Remember the piano duet.
01:06:24 {Kaworu} Let's go, Shinji-kun.
01:06:48 {Shinji} We did it!
01:07:07 {Kaworu} We've arrived. The deepest part of Central Dogma.
01:07:14 {Kaworu} The epicenter of Third Impact.
01:07:21 {Shinji} Is this Lilith?
01:07:23 {Kaworu} It once was.
01:07:25 {Kaworu} Now, it is her corpse.
He can't be talking about the n3I that Eva-01 triggered, the epicenter was way up on the Geofront ground level, we also saw Lilith during n3I and she was just chilling in her cross, nothing happened there at that point.
If the FoI were created on the image of the eva that continued 3I, I don't think it was Eva-01 because as was mentioned the armour doesn't match and shouldn't the impact that created the FoIs be an Adam-based impact? being the FoIs lifeforms with the FoL? I don't think Eva-01 would cause an Adam-based impact, because I don't think Eva-01 was a FoL life-form, I think Eva-01 was a FoK life-form and n3I was a Lilith-based Impact.
So which eva seems to be Adam-based and has the FoL at that point? it all seems to point to Mark.06...
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Reichu requested another FoI pan, this one from the moment when Kaworu's spider sense tingles
She also pointed out that during Shinji's ejection one of the floating 3DCG FoIs rotates to reveal Eva-01 style chestplate.
Combining that with a later 3DCG FoI closeup as it slams into the ground due to impact magic being gone
You can clearly see Eva-01 style shoulder pylons.
Based on the upper arms and torso armor it's pretty clear that at least for the bulk of the floating 3DCG FoIs the 2.0/Ha/破 CG model of Eva-01 with the head removed was used
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She also pointed out that during Shinji's ejection one of the floating 3DCG FoIs rotates to reveal Eva-01 style chestplate.
SPOILER: Show
Combining that with a later 3DCG FoI closeup as it slams into the ground due to impact magic being gone
SPOILER: Show
You can clearly see Eva-01 style shoulder pylons.
Based on the upper arms and torso armor it's pretty clear that at least for the bulk of the floating 3DCG FoIs the 2.0/Ha/破 CG model of Eva-01 with the head removed was used
SPOILER: Show
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Interesting, they are definitely unit 01 clones. So I guess shogoki also plays a role during third impact before being sent to space? If she's again made out of Lilith maybe both had some kind of interaction during third impact.
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Thanks for the pics, TMB! A couple more observations:
- In the pan, one of the Failures is facing the camera, and Eva-01 chest plates and pylons are clearly visible.
- The falling FoI comes complete with Eva-01's second, tiny upper arm stripe.
So this should make it unambiguous whose image the Failures are in. Eva-01, guilty as charged!
It's still a huge question in my mind why the Nerv HQ / Dogma FOIs are perfectly formed, with the exception of the missing heads, while those in the Tokyo-3 outskirts are malformed.
- In the pan, one of the Failures is facing the camera, and Eva-01 chest plates and pylons are clearly visible.
- The falling FoI comes complete with Eva-01's second, tiny upper arm stripe.
So this should make it unambiguous whose image the Failures are in. Eva-01, guilty as charged!
It's still a huge question in my mind why the Nerv HQ / Dogma FOIs are perfectly formed, with the exception of the missing heads, while those in the Tokyo-3 outskirts are malformed.
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Very nice catch!
So that would mean that EVA-01 was indeed involved into the crazy events where Lilith awaken and the landscape morphed into something out of the mind of Lovecraft! And here goes my last hope that EVA-01 had nothing to do with this nightmarish events...
I notice that the FoI from the pan don't seem to have EVA-01's arm fins...
Which one, I don't see it?
My personal guess is that FoI were being continuously formed on the core landscape on the surface, so the FoI we see in the Nerv HQ and Dogma are the ones that have finished to take form, while the ones on the outskirts of Tokyo-3 were one on the next wave that were still emerging from the "ground".
That battle must have been a giant nightmare : it was basically a giant Zerg rush with EVA-sized Zerglings!
So that would mean that EVA-01 was indeed involved into the crazy events where Lilith awaken and the landscape morphed into something out of the mind of Lovecraft! And here goes my last hope that EVA-01 had nothing to do with this nightmarish events...
I notice that the FoI from the pan don't seem to have EVA-01's arm fins...
Which one, I don't see it?
My personal guess is that FoI were being continuously formed on the core landscape on the surface, so the FoI we see in the Nerv HQ and Dogma are the ones that have finished to take form, while the ones on the outskirts of Tokyo-3 were one on the next wave that were still emerging from the "ground".
That battle must have been a giant nightmare : it was basically a giant Zerg rush with EVA-sized Zerglings!
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Reichu wrote: So this should make it unambiguous whose image the Failures are in. Eva-01, guilty as charged!
Another mystery solved! Props to K40s if the idea originated with him. Or whoever.
I think this says a lot. A lot, both thematically and mechanically. It indicates a much clearer line of causal connection (and therefore, in some sense, responsibility) back to Shinji and his initiation of N3I and therefore helps explain everyone's feelings towards him. Who knows how many of the members of Wille had loved ones who turned into giant Eva-01 clones and now when they think of Shinji and Eva-01 all they can see is the twisted, broken, red form of their transformed and doomed family and friends?
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Thank you, now I see it!
If you notice, these FoI are copies of EVA-01 with all its bindings, including the chest plate... strange, I would have imagined them as exact copies of the evolved form with the core exposed...
Monk Ed wrote:I think this says a lot. A lot, both thematically and mechanically. It indicates a much clearer line of causal connection (and therefore, in some sense, responsibility) back to Shinji and his initiation of N3I and therefore helps explain everyone's feelings towards him. Who knows how many of the members of Wille had loved ones who turned into giant Eva-01 clones and now when they think of Shinji and Eva-01 all they can see is the twisted, broken, red form of their transformed and doomed family and friends?
Indeed, it explains a lot about WILLE's crew open looks of anger against Shinji, not only he brough the end of the world, but they had a constant reminder of it in the hundreds of copies of EVA-01 that the FoI are, and every-time they look at the EVA powering their "ship of hope", they are reminded that that thing is the one who spawned these horrors, and this boy comes and want to pilot it, to make it free again? No way in hell!
Well, now I'm surer than ever that WILLE won't let EVA-01 go out, even if the situation is critical, so I can see only three ways to bring it back :
1/ it escapes, wrecking the Wunder while he it's on it
2/ the Wunder get destroyed, and EVA-01 emerges from the remains
3/ eventually neo-NERV manages to steal it from WILLE with the MP-EVAs and/or EVA-13
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