Eva 2.22 (and 3.33?) BD/DVD Audio issues?
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I downloaded the BDISO-- which should have no differences from the Blu-ray except for encryption-- and confirmed that the music still drops off. In particular, when Unit 01's resisting the Eighth Angel right before Asuka runs up, the music seems to vanish. And throughout much of the song, the choir is much less audible than in the camrip.
NAveryW wrote:I downloaded the BDISO-- which should have no differences from the Blu-ray except for encryption-- and confirmed that the music still drops off. In particular, when Unit 01's resisting the Eighth Angel right before Asuka runs up, the music seems to vanish. And throughout much of the song, the choir is much less audible than in the camrip.
Yeah, that is my biggest gripe of this 2.22 release. The Sahaquiel interception scene should've been the most epic moment in the film, and the choir plays a large part in it. The way they messed up the music as soon as "Fate" kicks in totally ruined the experience IMO.
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If you mean things changed from 3.0 in 3.33. they butchered the music. Looks like cam rip is best version for me. Music was made so quit is absolutely inaudible. final scean is ruined. ode to joy ruined. Piano scean ruined. Im so upset. Its worse then the music volume nerf from 2.0 to 2.22 and that was bad enough. why do they keep doing this? How can decreasing the music volume on the retail versions for all the rebuild movies make sence at all. The music is one of the best parts. to me at least
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EDIT: I wouldn't judge it by some torrent half-assed file, wait for a proper 1080p rip that should be out this week to fully appreciate the film
EDIT: I wouldn't judge it by some torrent half-assed file, wait for a proper 1080p rip that should be out this week to fully appreciate the film
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2.22 audio drop? I own the Japanese Blu-ray and it's in 6.1 TrueHD and it sounds incredible. I think you may be interpreting the auditorium being blasted with music as the theatrical versions having louder audio. Threatre sound systems are really, really intricate and they're probably one of the reasons people still go to the cinemas, because it delivers an atmosphere an at-home-experience can't really deliver.
To experience 1.11/2.22/3.33's audio even close to what the theatrical set up is, you need a 6.1 surround set up which cannot really be delivered on a computer without treating your computer set up also as how you'd treat your TV/movie set up.
Hatsumi92 wrote:2.22 audio drop? I own the Japanese Blu-ray and it's in 6.1 TrueHD and it sounds incredible. I think you may be interpreting the auditorium being blasted with music as the theatrical versions having louder audio. Threatre sound systems are really, really intricate and they're probably one of the reasons people still go to the cinemas, because it delivers an atmosphere an at-home-experience can't really deliver.
To experience 1.11/2.22/3.33's audio even close to what the theatrical set up is, you need a 6.1 surround set up which cannot really be delivered on a computer without treating your computer set up also as how you'd treat your TV/movie set up.
http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/9136/Eva-222-BD-DVD-Audio-issues/0/?
Read some posts from here. Their are also other thread which discuss the music volume beings very low in 2.22 on this forum alone. Lets alone elsewhere. I have seen tons of anime movies who sound levels remain the same on DVD /BD versions. They deff lower the Music level compared to voices and sound effect for their home releases. This is widely acknowledged, but this is the farthest it has ever gone imho (if the currently top seeded BD RIP is a fully accurate file and not bugged out or anything)
Also by that logic how does it make sense I watched the rip on my PC and the music was very loud and so where the sound effect/voices. Now only the sound effects and voices are loud.
Kozar927 wrote:http://forum.evageeks.org/thread/9136/Eva-222-BD-DVD-Audio-issues/0/?
Read some posts from here. Their are also other thread which discuss the music volume beings very low in 2.22 on this forum alone. Lets alone elsewhere. I have seen tons of anime movies who sound levels remain the same on DVD /BD versions. They deff lower the Music level compared to voices and sound effect for their home releases. This is widely acknowledged, but this is the farthest it has ever gone imho
But even in that thread people are also claiming to not have a problem and are also citing added in/enhanced music in the cam rip from sampling the movies respective soundtrack. This person also seems to be having issues with a rip, like you seem to be, where as the people who aren't are using a disc.
There are also intentional drops in music volume because that is how pretty much every score in every movie behaves so a scene isn't blown out by overpowering music, but there are also issues of downgrading an audio track which was mastered in 6.1 to something like 2.0 which your computer probably is. You'll get significant audio drops if you're watching a 6.1 TrueHD master using a 2.0 stereo system.
^ I own both the Jap and NA release of 2.22 and have no problems with the audio at all on my TV (which does not have surround sound). The camrip from the theater has louder sound-effect because they always blast the sound at any cinema to a point thats out of my comfort level and hurts the ears during explosions due to sound outbursts---so yeah it sounds louder on a video made using an iPhone. The BD release has leveled out audio made for viewing the film under normal circumstances at home on a normal TV
Hatsumi92 wrote:But even in that thread people are also claiming to not have a problem and are also citing added in/enhanced music in the cam rip from sampling the movies respective soundtrack. This person also seems to be having issues with a rip, like you seem to be, where as the people who aren't are using a disc.
There are also intentional drops in music volume because that is how pretty much every score in every movie behaves so a scene isn't blown out by overpowering music, but there are also issues of downgrading an audio track which was mastered in 6.1 to something like 2.0 which your computer probably is. You'll get significant audio drops if you're watching a 6.1 TrueHD master using a 2.0 stereo system.
But I watch 2.22 on my home BD player with surround and I watched 2.0 in theaters. Their is definitely many musical volume changes. It very very obvious. Its not just the sound system of the theater the music cuts are diffrent and they go quite when people talk on the disc but in the theater music didnt artificially cut out when people spoke. I dont know why no other movies have this problem on transition to a home release. what ever its cool if its not an issue for you guys. thats fine. It really effects my enjoyment of the movie. I must be deaf because watching it again at full volume Ode to Joy is a whisper and is nowhere close to as epic as it was in 3.0. God just let us get the original movie like they did for 1.0/1.01 for god sake.
Kozar927 wrote:But I watch 2.22 on my home BD player with surround and I watched 2.0 in theaters. Their is definitely many musical volume changes. It very very obvious. Its not just the sound system of the theater the music cuts are diffrent and they go quite when people talk on the disc but in the theater music didnt artificially cut out when people spoke. I dont know why no other movies have this problem on transition to a home release. what ever its cool if its not an issue for you guys. thats fine. It really effects my enjoyment of the movie. I must be deaf because watching it again at full volume Ode to Joy is a whisper and is nowhere close to as epic as it was in 3.0. God just let us get the original movie like they did for 1.0/1.01 for god sake.
That sounds like you've got a poor set up. A Blu-ray player alone will not magically make your audio set up sound perfect. It seems like you've got it set to 6.1 TrueHD or the lossy 6.1 when your output is significantly lower than 6.1. I don't get ANY audio cuts and I watch it with the correct set up to the audio output I have chosen.
The ripper doesn't know how to encode audio probably and it was just a quick rip to get the first rip out there. Just fix your audio set up is my advice.
Hatsumi92 wrote:That sounds like you've got a poor set up. A Blu-ray player alone will not magically make your audio set up sound perfect. It seems like you've got it set to 6.1 TrueHD or the lossy 6.1 when your output is significantly lower than 6.1. I don't get ANY audio cuts and I watch it with the correct set up to the audio output I have chosen.
The ripper doesn't know how to encode audio probably and it was just a quick rip to get the first rip out there. Just fix your audio set up is my advice.
Ok so how about this. Watch 1.01 and then 1.11 (store bought copies) on the same setup. If you say the music isn't quieter in 1.11 then it is in 1.01 then idk what to say to you. A lot of people said the same things I'm saying when 2.22 came out this isn't an isolated issue my surround sound system is fine. I never said a bd player had anything to do with my audio quality.
Kozar927 wrote:Ok so how about this. Watch 1.01 and then 1.11 (store bought copies) on the same setup. If you say the music isn't quieter in 1.11 then it is in 1.01 then idk what to say to you. A lot of people said the same things I'm saying when 2.22 came out this isn't an isolated issue my surround sound system is fine. I never said a bd player had anything to do with my audio quality.
No, not a lot of people are saying bad things about 2.22's audio, its the minority like you. I also don't understand what you're trying to argue here. She clearly is trying to help you solve your problem as it seems she knows what she's talking about--so why are trying to argue with her? No one has this problem it seems, so take the advice that people offer you to fix the issue and have a full experience watching the movies.
Stan wrote:No, not a lot of people are saying bad things about 2.22's audio, its the minority like you. I also don't understand what you're trying to argue here. She clearly is trying to help you solve your problem as it seems she knows what she's talking about--so why are trying to argue with her? No one has this problem it seems, so take the advice that people offer you to fix the issue and have a full experience watching the movies.
Check my link buddy. Or just run the test for your self. Or or just google 2.22 audio differences I will take you seriously after you compaired 1.01 and 1.11 on the same system.
Kozar927 wrote:Ok so how about this. Watch 1.01 and then 1.11 (store bought copies) on the same setup. If you say the music isn't quieter in 1.11 then it is in 1.01 then idk what to say to you. A lot of people said the same things I'm saying when 2.22 came out this isn't an isolated issue my surround sound system is fine. I never said a bd player had anything to do with my audio quality.
Well 1.01 is a DVD and 1.11 is a Blu-ray so 1.11 is of course louder than 1.01 because it has different audio mastering. Similar to 2.22 and 3.33, actually. Your problem lies in your audio set up.
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