It didn't quite hit me that bad, but I remain impressed with how skilled Anno is at creating stark reality. Most of this movie is like a feature-length version of EOE's last minutes. Even on a camrip, the re-introduction of Nerv is among the creepiest things I've seen in a film.

@Ornette
Aaa, okey.

Giji Shinka wrote:I cried while watching it.

Yep yep, I'm with Kendrix on this one. 3.0 sparked a really low downswing for me that lasted a few days, and didn't let me return to any semblance of normal for at least two weeks. Still feels like lead in my stomach when I think about it every once and a while.

Honestly, for me right now the hard part is the inability to watch 1.0 or 2.0. Just knowing how it ends (so far)... yea, I can't get much joy out of those movies.

Yea, i had very mixed feelings when i read the script and watched it for the first time, but when i re-watched it couple of times i really started to like it. (Still confusing as hell i admit that) Also, some people say that Anno is a bad story writer when it comes to this film, i don't think so.

Kendrix wrote:It threw me into days of depression, every single tidbit of it, from start to finish presses out my soul like a lemon in a juicer.

And I didn't notice any lack of cyberpunk-style philosophy talk on Kaworu's side, either.

Same here, only broke outta my funk when they showed an episode of Digimon and then pokemon at an anime con I went to afterwards. Something about seeing a silly show i had'nt seen since i was 10 made me feel better inside.

Giji Shinka wrote:Yea, i had very mixed feelings when i read the script and watched it for the first time, but when i re-watched it couple of times i really started to like it. (Still confusing as hell i admit that) Also, some people say that Anno is a bad story writer when it comes to this film, i don't think so.

The thing is that the story is very light. Not much really happens in this movie. It focuses more on setting things up and showing off the new world, and it does it extremely well. I don't know everything that happened in that 14 year period, but I really want to find out now. They gave me just enough to whet my appetite.

ssguy wrote:The thing is that the story is very light. Not much really happens in this movie. It focuses more on setting things up and showing off the new world, and it does it extremely well. I don't know everything that happened in that 14 year period, but I really want to find out now. They gave me just enough to whet my appetite.

Excellent post ssguy!
Yep, it's true what you say in your post, unfortunately some mainstream fans (98% of them) think differently, they want crazy action with easy-to-follow plot that can be understood easily for the 1st time you see it and characters must be typical shounen heroes with badass super powers *cough*Gurren Lagann*cough*DBZ*cough*Naruto,(Not saying that they are bad) and all of their dreams, goals ect. must be accomplished. (if not, the show will suck) (and don't forget the romace between certain character must happen) They don't want films like 3.0, and i love the fact that Anno kinda shows middlefinger to people that were anticipating "Tengen Evangelion Gurren Badass Shinji 3.0 You Can (Not) Lose." Anno doesn't want typical story, characters and settings, this is the reason why i love evangelion.

Giji Shinka wrote:Excellent post ssguy!
Yea, it's true what you say in your post, unfortunately some mainstream fans (98% of them) thinks different, they want crazy action with easy-to-follow plot that can be understood easily for the 1st time you see it and characters that must be typical shounen heroes with badass super powers *cough*Gurren Lagann*cough*DBZ*cough*Naruto,(Not saying that they are bad) and all of their dreams, goals ect. must be accomplished. (and don't forget the romace between certain character must happen) They don't want films like 3.0, and i love the fact that Anno kinda shows middlefinger for people that were anticipating Tengen Evangelion Gurren Badass Shinji 3.0 You can (not) lose. Anno doesn't want typical story, characters and settings, this is the reason why i love evangelion.

What a load of bullshit.

Edit instead of new post: You basically just said that anyone that doesn't like 3.0 isn't a true Eva fan and criticism has no merit. Troll.

Nah, i think I speak for the majority of people here.

Maybe I got lucky with the original series in that respect, because I came in when lots of analying had already been done to reach the understanding we have now (otherwise, the original probably looks like the same kind of random information overload in the Rebuild movies) and I was told what to expect.
I came for the stuff that other first-time watchers might see as shocking finger-stomping.
Basically, I watched it because I was told its mindfuckier than Elfen Lied.


But at least initially, this stuff not doing what you want WAS part of the experience, wasn't it? So maybe I should be glad to be able to experience the phenomenon firsthand...

...but that's hard when it comes at the cost of Rei dead once again and Shinji's life looking like someone took a peek at his list of personal nightmares and got very enrthusiastic at ticking all the boxes...

"I better shouldn't do shit, I will screw up!"
...which exactly happens the very first time he tries.

That girl he's so protective about who shows him genuine, unconditional apreciation? He failed to save her.

"I feel so helpless in my life, and there's nothing I can do in the face of those big organization" Yeah. Even if you try to prevent the next impact, if they want you to cause one, you will.

"Everybody hates me! I'm so afraid of being hated" ...well, they certainly do now.

"Don't abandon me, don't kill me..." Check.

While Shinji is someone who fears getting hurt, he has always feared hurting others even more, which is why all this is the perfect, most complete tragedy/failure he could possibly be put into...

On my end I used to enjoy this kind of stuff too, but lately I've been avoiding it like the plague. Feels like Eva mind broke me, man.

slothen wrote:What a load of bullshit.

Edit instead of new post: You basically just said that anyone that doesn't like 3.0 isn't a true Eva fan and criticism has no merit. Troll.

No, i was just bitching mainstream anime fans that's all, (You can be mainstream fan if you want, it was just my personal opinion how i feel about them when it comes to films like Eva 3.0) and i wasn't saying anything about people not being a "true fan of eva" if they don't like 3.0.
AND my native language is NOT English, im FINN, so i can screw up some sentences when i make these posts, so they might sound different what i meant originally. (See? i have edited this post eleven times already to make it right! Proof enough?)

I like the look of the new world, as long as there are a decent amount of people to inhabit it this could be an awesome setting.

The new movie was refreshing and salvaged Rebuild precisely because it confirmed that the false reading of 2.0 that so many shared has been confirmed to be bunk. The pain that is sending many reeling is the pain of having been so absolutely and fundamentally incorrect. Incorrect about something that this movie reveals to be a depth of brilliance that stretches back through the films. Edit: That pain being the pain of Shinji's within the film as well. It is intertwined with the previous incorrect readings and fan reactions to the previous film.

That is by no means to say that Q is above criticism or inoculated from it.

Anyway on to my attempt to partially list some of the character developments and gifts that Q brings to us. (I keep getting plans for something then getting sidetracked, oh well)

- A large swath of the cast learned the truth about Gendo and Nerv and have acted accordingly, a stunning and truly welcome development.
- 2028 is now the 'present time' of the Rebuild universe, and the earlier events are thus best viewed through the type of historical, sepia lens that we as fans of a 14 year old show were doing in the first place.
- The above point is precisely what salvages 1.0 in particular, and 2.0 to an extent.
- We get a canonical look into a post-3I world and reactions.
- Asuka got a chance to live a little and grow up some.
- All of the characters who went on to comprise Wille got a chance to continue to grow and do good things.
- We get a chance to see Gendo essentially fully subvert Seele, tricking and defeating them. To my reading of the events of EoE, it seemed that Seele won out ahead of Gendo (though both ultimately lost, I think).
- Shinji now finally has come to know almost everything within real time, an event that never quite occurred. Fuyutsuki's infodump is unprecedented for the character of Shinji within canon works.
- Shinji now finally has to grow up a little.

Seele00TextOnly wrote:The new movie was refreshing and salvaged Rebuild precisely because it confirmed that the false reading of 2.0 that so many shared has been confirmed to be bunk. The pain that is sending many reeling is the pain of having been so absolutely and fundamentally incorrect. Incorrect about something that this movie reveals to be a depth of brilliance that stretches back through the films.

Ehm... no. Disregarding how much we differ on the "confirmed" part of your statement, I'm pretty sure on my end the "pain" is that I'm experiencing the movie through Shinji's shoes, combined with the shock of how antithetical it was to my expectations/desires, and has nothing to do with being "wrong." I've been wrong before, about a lot of things, never made me feel the way 3.0 did.

Edited in a line because I suppose the nature of what I was referring to in all its reverberations wasn't conveyed accurately. There probably exists a term for this already, but I think I'll have to describe it as "main character over-identification-with-and-misplaced-sympathy-for syndrome". Or something like it. And indeed it's something many seem even more locked into than ever considering the manners and manifestations of the rejections of the messages of Q.

Seele00TextOnly wrote:Edited in a line because I suppose the nature of what I was referring to in all its reverberations wasn't conveyed accurately. There probably exists a term for this already, but I think I'll have to describe it as "main character over-identification-with-and-misplaced-sympathy-for syndrome". Or something like it. And indeed it's something many seem even more locked into than ever considering the manners and manifestations of the rejections of the messages of Q.

Your sig from Azathoth sums it up rather nicely to be honest.

Seele00TextOnly wrote:Edited in a line because I suppose the nature of what I was referring to in all its reverberations wasn't conveyed accurately. There probably exists a term for this already, but I think I'll have to describe it as "main character over-identification-with-and-misplaced-sympathy-for syndrome". Or something like it. And indeed it's something many seem even more locked into than ever considering the manners and manifestations of the rejections of the messages of Q.

Cool, I'll just continue to refer to the other side as "Empathy Low: Please Plug Into Nearest Socket to Recharge Syndrome."

I could have went with something meaner, cleverer, and quite frankly I think more accurate, but I know you could have too so I respected that.

I'm already wondering if the inevitable reactivation of Unit-01 will be as epic in Final as it is in my imagination -- ripping out of the Wunder in mid-flight, fiery wreckage raining down as the Eva hurtles to Earth...

I know, only fools try to predict these movies now. But come on, that's GOT to happen, right?

Warren Peace wrote:I'm already wondering if the inevitable reactivation of Unit-01 will be as epic in Final as it is in my imagination -- ripping out of the Wunder in mid-flight, fiery wreckage raining down as the Eva hurtles to Earth...

I know, only fools try to predict these movies now. But come on, that's GOT to happen, right?

I don't think Anno launched Rebuild with the purpose of giving Evangelion fans everything they want, no matter how sensible it would be to happen.