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Postby robersora » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:41 pm

View Original PostNemZ wrote:Going with the assumption that the trailer is meaningless, my current bet is that Shinji will convince Misato by saying he wants to free Rei then go back and stop 2I, not just 3I. And then it turns out Mari IS a time traveler, specifically that she's been looping for a while now, and the 2I appearance of the Adams is actually the other pilots trying to stop her. When they succeed (probably with Asuka dying to stop her, maximum impact since she's known her the longest) they break the cycle and she, the element that has never belonged in the first place, is removed. Then Shinji and Rei recombine into one and pull a Yui, leaving the Earth behind for more wincest space adventures.


No, because if that happens it would make Q's message pointless, (broad hint "you can (not) redo".) Even Anno wouldn't do something like that.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:14 pm

That sort of Re-Take of Madoka is too pedestrian to be the Master's handiwork. Nor, alas, would be the Gurren Lagann ending.

Nor would be the"all in Shinji's head" interpretation currently being circulated on /a/

After 3 years Shinji gets released from a facility, where his Teacher tried to get him to cope with the loss of his mother.

He telephones his father in Tokio-3, but his father refuses to answer the phone. Cue first angel attack. Shinji lapses in and out of psychosis, with Misato's apartment, the school and the hospital more likely to be reality. Each time Shinji is spurned, disappointed, threatened, or underpressure an angel attacks.

"THIS IS THE STRONGEST REJECTION TYPE ANGEL YET."

So no, NERV HQ doesn't exist. And Yui is _dead_ dead.


Some middle aged Fujoshi picks him up on the street in a sports car. (Also, she works with his father). Bits are real, bits aren't, but they're all part of Shinji's delusional state and mental illness. The giant robot battles directly equate to his adolescent angst. So Gendou probably does run a large organisation, but it probably _doesn't_ use giant fighting robots to save the world. Unless Shinji actually is really summoning Angels while being fucked in the head. Occams says that he probably isn't. Occams says that Rei is just a spooky girl who lives alone, and then rejects him for some unknown reason when he refuses to save her from the Gendou rape train


It depends on who is a delusional fantasy entirely, and who is merely Shinji's projection of a "real person."

We have reason to believe that Gendou, Asuka, the School Kids, Rei II/III, Misato and Kaji are _really_ real—.

However, other characters may be fully delusional— Fuyutsuki, Yui, Ritsuko, Bridge Bunnies, Kaworu—, all these characters only appear inside the "NERV" delusion, Shinji doesn't see them separately. (Yes I'd need to rewatch for Ritsuko in hospital sequences.) These characters never existed outside of Shinji's fantasy world of giant robots, where his father has an excuse not to love him by saving the world, where Shinji is important, and where his mother isn't actually dead but still loves him.


What it will involve is plenty of flying battleships, now he's gone full Miyazaki.
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Postby Xard » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:07 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:What it will involve is plenty of flying battleships, now he's gone full Miyazaki.


You mean Matsumoto - Anno probably just got superjealous about his friend Izubuchi-kun getting to direct new Yamato series soo...
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Postby IDontWantNoScrub » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:15 pm

I hope the 4th film will have either flashbacks to Kaji or reveal that he is still alive because Kaji's story is pretty much the only thing that has been left out from 3.0. What I mean is that 1.0 and 2.0 covered the story up to episode 19 (more or less) and 3.0 = 20-24 (Yui, the Rei clones, Kaworu).

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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:17 pm

View Original PostXard wrote:You mean Matsumoto
I know that Miyazaki's fetish is planes rather than boats; but I was thinking more of the "now I am older and respected I can indulge myself" attitude.
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Postby tootiredtoriot » Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:02 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:That sort of Re-Take of Madoka is too pedestrian to be the Master's handiwork. Nor, alas, would be the Gurren Lagann ending.

Nor would be the"all in Shinji's head" interpretation currently being circulated on /a/


While I don't buy into the "all in his head" idea either, this is a funny visual support trying to back up the idea that he imagined the scenario from life events:

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Postby Mr. Tines » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:37 am

View Original Posttootiredtoriot wrote:Apologies if it has wound up here before, best I can credit it is tumblr user marciano37
Those originated here, in fact, many years ago, as examples of "You never see anything just once".
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Postby dnab » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:00 am

Hi all, new here. Haven't seen 3.0 but read enough about it to want to get some predictions in for the finale. In no particular order or explanations:

1. The flying ship Wunder could be a captured and re-purposed angel, or an Eva on steroids. Don't be surprised if it pulls an SDF-1.

2. By Kaworu "irrationally" putting the collar on himself, Shinji now owes him one. We've not seen the last of him. (duh)

3. Humanity may be living in a loop, but not the rest of the universe. Each loop leaves marks that get justified/unquestioned in the next loop, except for the extra lance. If so, every real world Eva story alternate (Retake, Anima, manga, doujinshis) instantly get canonized. Marketing Instrumentality indeed.

4. Asuka is still a tsundere. She's pissed at Shinji, not for doing her damage in 3.0, but willing to end the world for Rei-2. And we've not seen the last of Rei-2. (duh)

5. Humanity may have evolved in the first 3rd impact, but not Shinji (emotionally). Someone, somewhere decided it's a good idea to do over until he gets it right. Some tough mommy love.

6. Or perhaps it's Lilith who's ctrl-alt-deleting every time she gets a bad end. Shinji must (not) choose the devil girl.

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Postby esselfortium » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:11 am

View Original Postdnab wrote:4. Asuka is still a tsundere. She's pissed at Shinji, not for doing her damage in 3.0, but willing to end the world for Rei-2. And we've not seen the last of Rei-2. (duh)

I don't think it counts as "tsundere" when she has every reason in the world to genuinely want nothing to do with the guy.

6. Or perhaps it's Lilith who's ctrl-alt-deleting every time she gets a bad end. Shinji must (not) choose the devil girl.

There's not a lot of room for a choice on his part, there. At this point he ought to count himself as lucky that she took pity on him and didn't leave him to die when she had the chance.

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Postby cd603 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:19 am

View Original Postdnab wrote:3. Humanity may be living in a loop, but not the rest of the universe. Each loop leaves marks that get justified/unquestioned in the next loop, except for the extra lance. If so, every real world Eva story alternate (Retake, Anima, manga, doujinshis) instantly get canonized. Marketing Instrumentality indeed.

I like this theory/speculation. More than I should probably...

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Postby CJD » Fri Nov 23, 2012 2:18 pm

Put it all on time loop. I haven't this sure of something since I said Duke Nukem Forever would be a good game.

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In all seriousness, I'm sure it's been said before but I wouldn't be surprised if Asuka turns out corrupted by Bardiel. Not a "Hahah I've been fooling you all these last 14 years!" but more of an abrupt thing that happens, like she loses control or something. I'm convinced there's more to that eye glowing than appears.

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Postby esselfortium » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:04 pm

View Original PostCJD wrote:In all seriousness, I'm sure it's been said before but I wouldn't be surprised if Asuka turns out corrupted by Bardiel. Not a "Hahah I've been fooling you all these last 14 years!" but more of an abrupt thing that happens, like she loses control or something. I'm convinced there's more to that eye glowing than appears.

There's definitely something still to be revealed about her eye, but it'd be a pitifully lame twist if it turned out to be "Asuka suddenly turns EVUL due to contamination," given that it was basically the first thing anyone predicted 5 minutes after 2.0 came out.

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Postby CJD » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:24 pm

View Original Postesselfortium wrote:There's definitely something still to be revealed about her eye, but it'd be a pitifully lame twist if it turned out to be "Asuka suddenly turns EVUL due to contamination," given that it was basically the first thing anyone predicted 5 minutes after 2.0 came out.


That's true, I should have higher expectations of Anno.

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Postby Na7e » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:31 pm

View Original PostCJD wrote:That's true, I should have higher expectations of Anno.


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I wouldn't be surprised if this was brought back, plus with the Frankenstein 8+2 that once again has the stitched together motif. Makes me fucking giddy that Asuka will finally possibly play a major part.

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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:38 pm

Alright, here's my theory on Asuka angel contamination / 4.0. As in, trying to find a good way to make this resurfacing notion work at all.

1. It was discovered that Asuka was contaminated at some point during the 14 year gap; in that time, somehow she struggled to suppress and control this new Angel component of her psyche/body. She's successfully pulled it off to the point of being trusted by Wille to pilot again, and has clearly proven herself. But, nevertheless, Asuka is now and has been the 11th Angel. Which means she needs to die for Gendo's plan.

2. Alternatively, she's not the 11th Angel but a type of Lilim/Angel hybrid now, and the creation of one such as this as a result of the 9th Angel (Bardiel) would be something that was prophesied in the Dead Sea Scrolls and Gendo has determined he can activate using the Key of Nebuchadnezzar.

She's not evil in either of these scenarios and would need to be retrieved / protected / defended by the others in order to prevent Gendo's success. Such a situation could offer Shinji another chance to redeem himself somehow.

Anyway I don't care for either of these situations, but I wanted to get something crafted to float around out there that I wouldn't consider total garbage.
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Postby Darkwing » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:09 pm

I thought of something. Here's something that would be as big a twist as the 14 year timeskip. Shinji doesn't end up piloting Unit-01 again. He ends up piloting a different Eva in fighting against Unit-01. Unit-07 is missing, and seven is the lucky number. It would be interesting as Shinji would now be breaking from both his parents.
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Postby CJD » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:39 pm

View Original PostSeele00TextOnly wrote:1. It was discovered that Asuka was contaminated at some point during the 14 year gap; in that time, somehow she struggled to suppress and control this new Angel component of her psyche/body. She's successfully pulled it off to the point of being trusted by Wille to pilot again, and has clearly proven herself. But, nevertheless, Asuka is now and has been the 11th Angel. Which means she needs to die for Gendo's plan.


I'd enjoy that, especially if Shinji has to protect her, but that'd also be kind of bullshit on Wille's part. Considering their whole purpose is to prevent another impact risking an angel taking over an Eva would be a huge stretch and either make them ridiculously stupid or just break my suspension of disbelief. Then again they've already demonstrated to me they fit the former quite nicely.

To edit the theory (and I know you won't like it): I'd be ok with it if Wille never new, if the Angel psyche surfaced in private and Asuka controlled it in private. But then Wille finds out in 4.0, and it's a proverbial battle royale between Wille, who wants to kill Asuka, Gendo, who wants to kill Asuka or use her for some purpose, and Shinji, Asuka, and probably Rei who want to protect her.

^Sounds like a fanfic but I do believe there'd be room for character growth if done right. Throw in some stuff about Shinji not wanting to lose any more people, some "atonement" by protecting an innocent soul (assuming Asuka really isn't evil), and some good old fashion "Fuck you" to two factions I'd enjoy getting fucked and you'd have an enjoyable movie. Unfortunately even with that it still sounds more like a sequel to 2.0 rather than 3.0.

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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:45 pm

^
It would fit with the theme of redemption that final might go with. Fingers crossed.
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Postby BlueBasilisk » Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:37 pm

Asuka secretly being the missing Angel just doesn't make sense to me. If she were, then why is the 12th Angel given that designation and not 11 since it would have 'appeared' before she did? And if she was actually the 11th Angel and this was known, then why on Earth would she be cleared for active duty when she was quarantined and more or less considered property after suffering from Bardiel's infection?

We're assuming Asuka lost her eye after being mauled by Unit 01 based on 2.0's teaser, but is there any indication this is the case in 3.0? She does tell Shinji the eyepatch had nothing to do with him. This might actually be the case; she lost/damaged her eye in an event we haven't yet witnessed.

Regarding the 11th Angel, I think it probably attacked during the time skip, was nothing to write home about, and got terminated pretty quickly. #12 sounds more like a nuisance than anything, and Kaworu wasn't actively fighting humanity at all.

Wunder looks very much like an Angel. I wunder if it's not actually built on the remains of our missing 11th Angel. It's the 3rd Angel experiment taken to its conclusion.

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Postby Reichu » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:02 am

GUYS. USE. THE OTHER. THREADS.
What if... Kaworu bonded with Misato instead of Shinji, and the two of them were siblings?
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