[SPOILERS AS FUCK] 2ch Q synopsis prep. for anal devastation

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Postby Bagheera » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:33 am

Lili! Long time no see! :w00t:

How are you? Studies going well? What's the atmosphere like in Japan? Have you had a chance to see the movie yet? Any--

Okay, I'll shut up now, sorry. -o-; It's good to see you though!

Edit: So Kaworu is confirmed as the thirteenth? Neat. And Ayanami's soul is in a different place??? Don't know what to make of that -- I wonder what's animating the version running around with Gendo, then. I also gotta wonder about Gendo's and Fuyu's mindset . . . I mean, were they just gonna sit around forever until someone got around to bringing Shinji back? :lol:
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:37 am

View Original PostLiLi wrote:Kaworu said they needed two different lances, the LAnce of Longinus and the Lance of Cassius(?) but when they finally got down to Dogma, he realized something was wrong when he noticed the two lances looked the same.

I wonder, wasn't the Lance of Cassius the one that Kaworu brought from the Moon? It was mentioned, in one of those Pachinko games, even before they released the movie. Did they lose track of it after the 3rd Impact?
View Original PostLiLi wrote:He claims the reason Eva13 needs two pilots is because two souls are needed for the two lances. Shinji does ask why they didn't use Black!Ayanami, and Kaworu mumbles something about the soul being in a different place. Also, Kaworu apparently didn't realize he was the 13th Angel until it was too late.

Oh! So Rei is really soulless like people are saying... I wonder how it's possible that he didn't realise that he was an Angel considering what he was capable of doing (breathing in space and stuff).

Anyway thanks a lot for those infos, Lili.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:37 am

View Original PostLiLi wrote: Kaworu apparently didn't realize he was the 13th Angel until it was too late.


That makes it even more tragic, though I wonder how he didn't notice.
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Postby Darkwing » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:40 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:I like how you guys are arguing about all this deep character interpretation stuff in a foreign language film you've heard about second or third hand. :p Maybe tone it down a tad -- it's a bit early to come to really informed conclusions, isn't it?

Also, movie goers are disappoint!

http://info.movies.yahoo.co.jp/detail/tymv/id343233/

Current rating is 3.14, compared to 4.02 for 1.0 and 4.48 for 2.0.


It may be loosing repeat viewership because the movies depressing. Sure Shinji nearly ended the world, but damn it he was awesome, and save Rei. People wanted to see that again. This probably is less appealing. How it works in the Long run probably depends on how 4.0 ends. I've heard that orginally people hated the end of Empire Strikes Back, due to it having that downer ending. Now it's considered one of the best ever. But that's only because of how Return Of The Jedi was able to follow it.

You have to remember there are more than one kind of Eva fan. There's the die hard fans. The guys who analyze everything. The like the Psychological stuff, the Symbolism, the Darkness. They post on forums like this. Then you've got the more casual fans. They watch Eva, they like the Charecters, and the plot, but damn it they wish they'd explain just what the fuck an angel is and where it came from. And that maybe Shinji could win and get a happy ending. And I suspect those make up more of the moviegoing public. And Anno trolled them way harder than he did the other kind of fan.

I'm going to have to start a thread with my analysis of Shinji's actions. Too long for this.

I can honestly see 4.0 bieng this. Shinji snaps totally. He now wants to cause fifth impact. Because people are so aweful they all deserve to die. And he deserves to die the most. In the end Ghost Kawrou, Rei(maybe ghost), and Asuka barely talk him down. So Shinji manages to restore the world, but still kills himself because he honestly believes that it would be best. Asuka tries to stop him by confessing her love, but Shinji just tells her that it's better if she just forgets him. Suicide rate in Japan skyrockets.
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Postby LiLi » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:41 am

Hi, Shin-chan! Hi Bagheera! Hi All! :)
(While you posted, I edited my post above with some more stuff... ^^; )

No, the collar was not a hoax as far as I can tell.

When Black!Rei shows up in Eva 09 and Shinji leaves with her, Misato is shown holding the switch as if about to press the button, but she hesitates for too long and then he is out of range (as shown on the display of the switch itself).

Suzuhara Sakura yells at Shinji something like, "Do as you please but, DO NOT PILOT AN EVA!"

Note that at this point Shinji does have some reasons to doubt Misato and the others (i.e. they told him Ayanami was no more and nowhere to be found, but then he hears her voice coming from the Eva... he also appears surprised that Misato & Co. want to fight against Eva 09, and they suddenly tell him that they are now a different group devoted to fighting NERV....)

(I have only seen the movie once so far and there is a lot going on so...)
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Postby symbv » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:42 am

Less than 24 hours from the first post, and already THIRTY EIGHT pages?!?! This forum is not called Evageeks for nothing I guess :-) Anyway, the leak from 2ch and those pamphlet scan are now all up in the major anime sites in Japan, particularly the matome sites (e.g. http://yaraon.blog109.fc2.com/blog-entry-12958.html ) so anyone can be spoiled as much as he wants (yeah, I've got my share). My feeling perhaps goes to show how far I:ve come since EoE days - I bumped into the spoiler instead eagerly waiting for or seeking it; I do not feel devastated by what happened to Asuka and even somehow thought at least most of the characters lived beyond the age of their death at EoE. As for Misato gathered the force to fight again -- somehow it has an Anima vibe.... To be honest, those older character design give me a feeling more akin to Ghost in the Shell than Evangelion, I don't know why.....

Anyway guess I just might as well check the first 6 min of Q given what I know already...

And are they seriously that the last film will just be tagged with a Coda symbol? How are we going to pronounce it?
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Postby evafan76 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:42 am

-Get up

-Read this entire thread

WHAT IS GOING ON?

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Postby dhazard » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:49 am

Lili, may i ask two questions? Is Kaji alive by the end of the movie? Any of the preview scenes in 2.0 appears in 3.0?
I'd greatly appreciate if u could answer ^^
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:49 am

View Original PostLiLi wrote:Hi, Shin-chan! :)
While you posted, I edited my post above with some more stuff... ^^;

Hi, it's been a long time. I noticed that you edited your post, in fact I re-edited my own one. ^^'
View Original PostLiLi wrote:No, the collar was not a hoax as far as I can tell.

I was referring to this thing (last block of quoted text), it seems to say that Kaworu was killed by the collar but you said that he impaled Eva 13 on the Lances.
View Original PostLiLi wrote:(I have only seen the movie once so far and there is a lot going on so...)

I can imagine it, anyway thanks a lot for filling us in with your first hand impression!

EDIT: So you're also part of this spoiler party, symbv! Effectively this film seems to give more than one Anima vibe.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:53 am

View Original PostLiLi wrote:
Suzuhara Sakura yells at Shinji something like, "Do as you please but, DO NOT PILOT AN EVA!"



So did Touji die in the 3rd impact like they mentioned earlier?
Or is he just not in the film at all?

I'm glad to have people that have watched the movie on the forum.

Thanks LiLi!
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Postby svenge » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:57 am

I'm just glad that the initial rumor of Asuka being an angel was debunked. I'm OK (to varying extents) with almost all the other weirdness, but that would've been a deal-killer.

Still, from my perspective it feels like reading early accounts of paleontologists trying to decipher the "missing link" using a single molar and an associated femur that may or may not be from the same creature. Of course, we have to make the most of the limited information we can get at this point...

Anyhow, I think I've gotten my spoiler-itis out of my system, and can wait until a camrip hits. Worst-case scenario, I'll wait the 9-12 months before the Japanese 3.33 DVD is released. Either way, it seems that I'll stay on the Rebuild train until the bitter end.

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Postby Jayfive » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:59 am

Some whos watched the film? Aiiieeee...

I prostrate myself before LiLi and humbly ask the following

Any sightings of Kaji? Any references to him even?
Are there any scenes where Asuka and Mari are face to face?
How important are the new characters? The only we've seen doing anything is Toji's sister.
Whats with the lifejacket on Unit 2?
Does Misato lose an eye or is it just her glasses breaking?
Do we see whats under Asuka's Patch of Power and/or is whats happened to it explained?

BTW, im been having great fun at the moment posting on the youtube vids of the trailers going 'you wont believe the shit thats going down in this film', then having people PM me with questions, then answering them and watching their minds unravel.
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Postby symbv » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:59 am

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:EDIT: So you're also part of this spoiler party, symbv! Effectively this film seems to give more than one Anima vibe.
I bumped into a bunch of spoiler, both in text and in images, in Japanese forum and then I started to think: How would it be like in evageeks? As much as I am not so keen on discussing the good the bad and the ugly of the new film, I want to see how many people are the keen type. And sure enough I am hearing thunderous reverberation !

Come to think of it, I think I do feel a bit bad for Asuka. Perhaps there is not so much point for me to watch Coda now then! lol
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Postby Zeldafan888 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:59 am

I cannot comprehend the insanity of this movie from a logical point of view.
The Movie is raping my mind(Hallelujah!)
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Okay that going to be my last joke post.
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:01 am

View Original Postsymbv wrote:Come to think of it, I think I do feel a bit bad for Asuka. Perhaps there is not so much point for me to watch Coda now then! lol

Why? Don't you like 28 years old Asuka in a teenager body? Anyway EGF literally exploded yesterday, the forum went in a quite long 500 error stasis and it reached its record of people connected at the same time.
EDIT: oh, wow, those pictures are literally everywhere as you said, I just saw them on yaraon, I pity those who are trying to avoid spoilers, they should just switch-off their routers.
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Postby Reichu » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:04 am

Welcome back, Lili! If you have a moment, here are some questions from me:

- What's going on with Eva-01, -06, and -13? We've heard that Eva-13 is someone made by combining the first two, but it doesn't make narrative sense from the spoilers we've seen so far.

- Can you tell us anything about these severed Rei heads? And there's supposed to be a huge one that Gendo is talking to at one point?

- Is there an Angel attack that occurs at sea? If so, could you elaborate, from what you recall?

- Are there actually Eva corpses at the site of Third Impact?

- What's going on with Lilith? One of the poorly-translated spoilers said that she was decapitated and rotting. And any thoughts on the scene in Dogma, with the giant skulls and the giant red cross? We only have some screenshots to go by, so it's pretty "WTF?".

- What's the "Mode 777" that Eva-02 enters toward the end? And is Eva-02 still intact by the end of the film?

- Do you recall any of the images from the 4.0 preview?

Sorry if that's a lot, but... so many questions!
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Postby symbv » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:08 am

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:Why? Don't you like 28 years old Asuka in a teenager body? Anyway EGF literally exploded yesterday, the forum went in a quite long 500 error stasis and it reached its record of people connected at the same time.
What are you talking about? Who said there was a 28 year old Asuka in teenager body?!

From the 2ch spoiler it said (the second post in this thread)

シンジとカオル二人がかりでアスカを殺して解決(トドメはカオル)

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SPOILER: Show
The two, Shinji and Kaworu, solved the problem by killing Asuka with their joint effort (the final killing stroke by Kaworu)
And this part is before the 14 year time skip



Actually did anybody translate the 2ch spoiler except the very brief points in the first 2 posts ? I did not read most of the 38 pages so I am not sure.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:12 am

symbv you might want to skim the rest of the thread.

SPOILER: Show
She survives
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:13 am

View Original Postsymbv wrote:What are you talking about? Who said there was a 28 year old Asuka in teenager body?!

From the 2ch spoiler it said (the second post in this thread)

シンジとカオル二人がかりでアスカを殺して解決(トドメはカオル)
translate
SPOILER: Show
The two, Shinji and Kaworu, solved the problem by killing Asuka by their joint effort (the final killing stroke by Kaworu)

Apparently this didn't happen, they trolled you, pictures from that book show a perfectly alive Asuka that recovers Shinji from the entry plug after 4th Impact, there's also an illustration which apparently shows Shinji and Asuka hand in hand...
Shinji, Kaworu and Rei apparently fought against Asuka and Mari but they didn't kill each other, or so I heard.

These are the pics I'm referring to:
SPOILER: Show


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Postby LiLi » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:14 am

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:it seems to say that Kaworu was killed by the collar but you said that he impaled Eva 13 on the Lances.


IIRC, first he does impale the Eva 13 to close the Door (Shinji also seems to feel this), but then he does die by going 'splodey. All the red goo/blood gets splattered against the invisible barrier between him and Shinji... which Shinji is attached to. Ouch.
Oh, IIRC, before he dies he does tell Shinji, "We can meet again".

Kaji: I have not seen him. Maybe I was too overwhelmed by everything happening on screen, but I honestly can't remember him being there at any point!

Touji: his demise, although not certain, seems heavily implied. Shinji is given a shirt. He notices the shirt is a bit too large for him, and then Touji's name inside. He kinda freaks out a bit. Kaworu notices he is upset. Shinji explains he is wondering what happened to the city/his classmates that were supposed to be standing above what is now a gaping hole. Kaworu takes him outside and shows him the consequences of the 3I Shinji initiated.

3.0 Preview: I honestly could find very little, if any, relation between the actual movie and the preview included in 2.0...

4.o Preview: The only thing I remember about the preview for the next movie is a terrible, terrible half pink/half red Eva.... Maybe I hallucinated it.... *sporks eyes*

I am sorry if I cannot answer all the questions at this time, I do have a lot of studying to do and there is a lot about the movie itself that I need to triple check... I will try to keep your questions in mind for the next time(s) I go see it though.

:EDIT: On a related(?) note, IIRC Asuka detonated Eva 02. I think later on they show what might pass as the sorry remains of this unit being carried away.

Asuka herself is alive and kicking at the end of the movie. She pulls Shinji out of the entry plug and gives him the "Misato Treatment", trying (in vain) to shake him out of his shocked state. Black!Rei is also with them. IIRC, Asuka says something like, "We gotta go to a place where the Lilin can reach us". The SDAT falls at Rei's feet, she looks down, but we don't get to see whether she picks it up. Off they go leaving a trail in the sand, Asuka literally pulling Shinji by the hand/arm, Rei following.
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