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Postby TriLink » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:01 pm

Okay, here's a stupid little question that's been bugging me for a while. In EOE when Asuka is fighting the EVA series, just as she finishes destroying them (or so we think) she takes a replica Spear of Longinus right through the head, correct? Now who exactly threw the damn thing?

Was it one of the EVA Series already regnerated via there S2 Engines?

Did the soldiers launch it somehow?

Or was it a third party altogether, help me out people!
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Postby Evangelionfreak » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:17 pm

im pretty sure it was one of the MPE
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Postby The Bastard King » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:32 pm

IT WAS GOD.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:32 pm

ISTR it being attributed to EVA-08, the one that had only lost a leg.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:56 pm

It could have been the spear itself :shock: since they supposedly have a will of their own :roll: .
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Postby Hunter21 » Mon Dec 11, 2006 4:58 pm

I asked that question a while ago in another post. I think the answer was narrowed down to either 8 or 11. I don't really remember the whole reasoning why though.
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Postby BobBQ » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:02 pm

It MacGuffined itself into action. They can do that, you know; they're self-aware and everything.

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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:05 pm

You can't discount the possibilty that the spear did it.
NGE2 CI wrote:22. The Spear of Longinus

C. Confidential Information

It is a spear which has a will and is a type of lifeform capable of moving by itself. This is an item close to a god and thus able to put a Seed of Life (Progenitor Entity), who holds the power of eternal life, into suspended animation, and this is the reason why the Seed of Life (Progenitor Entity) does not reach god-status. The First Ancestral Race prepared this as a counter-measure in the event that a Seed of Life (Progenitor Entity) did not follow their own goals.
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Postby Hunter21 » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:14 pm

The question about that is does 22. The Spear of Longinus

C. Confidential Information ....

apply to the MP Eva's spears too? They are not the original spear and there is some debate on whether they hold the same properties as the real one.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:56 pm

They were at the very least cloned from it, however crappily. The Red Cross Book even refers to them as copies. I'd assume they were prototypes. EVA-00 was a crappy Eva compaired to the others.
RCB wrote:[Lance of Longinus (copy)]
Striking/piercing weapons used by the Eva series mass-production models. Modeled on the Lance of Longinus, their shapes and lengths can change. When penetrating an A.T.Field, the tip splits into two branches and twists through the field. In episode 25', one of these Lances penetrates the A.T.Field of Eva-02 and puts an end to the valiantly fighting Eva unit. Although these Lances cannot be used for Instrumentality (Complementation) involving Lilith, as a weapon they have almost the same ability as the original Lance.
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Postby Ornette » Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:40 pm

The only issue I have with that theory is:

Asuka saying that the 2 she has sandwiched were "the last ones", and HQ never mentions anything about it until Maya says the destroyed eva series have reactivated.

I suppose Asuka could have simply been mistaken and didn't notice one flying around, even though during the entire fight she seemed pretty aware of where each one was.

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Postby MaggotMaster » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:28 pm

Ornette wrote:I suppose Asuka could have simply been mistaken and didn't notice one flying around, even though during the entire fight she seemed pretty aware of where each one was.


I'm pretty sure we see her massacring every single one.

The obvious possibility is that one of them reactivated earlier, probably one of the least damaged ones, let's not make up stuff we don't have any evidence for.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:45 pm

What are we making up? The CI says they can move. Surely EVA-00 can't throw a spear into orbit. And lets not forget those fucking things are heavy! Note the recoil when 2 of them hit. Does it really seem possible that an Eva missing a leg can fling one with that much force?
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Postby Ornette » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:04 pm

Anonymous_Evafan wrote:What are we making up? The CI says they can move. Surely EVA-00 can't throw a spear into orbit. And lets not forget those fucking things are heavy! Note the recoil when 2 of them hit. Does it really seem possible that an Eva missing a leg can fling one with that much force?

I'm not in disagreement. There was one thread over at ANF where I suggested the MPE whose core was about to be crushed "summoned" the spear. Althought it wasn't met with much enthusiasm.

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Postby cat42 » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:15 pm

Well, the by the physics (hahahaha) of the matter, the lance was floating by itself for at least a little bit, and pushed it's own way into UNIT-02's A.T. Field.

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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:42 pm

Ornette wrote:
Anonymous_Evafan wrote:What are we making up? The CI says they can move. Surely EVA-00 can't throw a spear into orbit. And lets not forget those fucking things are heavy! Note the recoil when 2 of them hit. Does it really seem possible that an Eva missing a leg can fling one with that much force?

I'm not in disagreement. There was one thread over at ANF where I suggested the MPE whose core was about to be crushed "summoned" the spear. Althought it wasn't met with much enthusiasm.

That wasn't directed at you. This is what my comment was directed at.
MaggotMaster wrote:The obvious possibility is that one of them reactivated earlier, probably one of the least damaged ones, let's not make up stuff we don't have any evidence for.

Ironicly we have no evidence for that suggestion. There are atleast 4 possibilties I can currently think of:
1.) EVA-08 did it
2.) The spear did it itself
3.) EVA-08 feebly threw it and the spear did the rest
4.) EVA-13 used it's AFT magic and threw it
I do find it odd that Asuka said that EVA's 5 and 13 were the last ones so maybe EVA-08 can be removed as a suspect, though we never see her deliver a kill blow. We can really discount any of them but honestly as stupid as it sounds the spear is the most likely suspect.
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Postby MaggotMaster » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:17 pm

Anonymous_Evafan wrote:What are we making up? The CI says they can move. Surely EVA-00 can't throw a spear into orbit. And lets not forget those fucking things are heavy! Note the recoil when 2 of them hit. Does it really seem possible that an Eva missing a leg can fling one with that much force?


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If you watch the scene it looks like one of the MPE doing it is the most plausible answer, just as Nigoki gets stabbed in the face we see the Mass Production Evas reactivating.

Is there ANY need in complicating something so entirely trivial? absolutely no important plot point is explained by theorizing about who threw the spear, fanwanking over such an entirely trivial scene is like wondering why the cigarette dissapears in Ep 11, it's pointless. In addition, the dramatic effect clause directly relates the Evas reactivating with the spear being thrown, it's supposed to be a "WTF weren't those things dead" moment.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm

As I recall there is a good 10 second delay between EVA-02 running out of power and Maya saying the Eva series was reactivating.
Asuka:
These are the last ones!

(As Asuka finishes off the last Evas, one of the Eva series' swords comes flying at her...
She stops it with her AT Field, but it turns into the Lance of Longinus)

Asuka:
The Lance of Longinus!?

(The Lance pierces the AT Field, then EVA-02's head... Asuka shrieks and EVA-02 powers down... Asuka clutches futilely at the controls)

(NERV Command Center)

Maya:
Internal power source depleted... Operational limit reached. EVA-02... down.
What!? The destroyed... Eva series!?

(Eva series reactivates)

And just what am I fanwanking?????
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Postby Ornette » Mon Dec 11, 2006 11:11 pm

MaggotMaster wrote:If you watch the scene it looks like one of the MPE doing it is the most plausible answer, just as Nigoki gets stabbed in the face we see the Mass Production Evas reactivating.

Before I heard about the Eva-08 lurking around beyond Asuka's perception being the culprit, it never occured to me that it was thrown by an MPE.

Is there ANY need in complicating something so entirely trivial? absolutely no important plot point is explained by theorizing about who threw the spear, fanwanking over such an entirely trivial scene is like wondering why the cigarette dissapears in Ep 11, it's pointless. In addition, the dramatic effect clause directly relates the Evas reactivating with the spear being thrown, it's supposed to be a "WTF weren't those things dead" moment.

Unlike the cigarette disappearing, which was obviously a cell printing mistake that someone made, but post production never noticed it before the episode needed to be shipped, this spear is the penultimate turning point of the rise and fall of team Sohryu. Were we to simply think, "oh that spear came out of nowhere, no problem, let's get on with it"? Maybe so, but... Your claim of the spear indicating that "WTF weren't those things dead?" moment is specious at best, since between the point that the mystery spear was shown to the point where Maya says the MPE were reactivating spans almost a minute, during which, we're shown a number of cuts which has nothing to do with the MPE's reactivating.

So maybe we are supposed to just think the spear came out of nowhere and move on, but, can anyone provide a counter argument for "maybe we're subtlely being told that the spear is more than just something that the MPEs carry as weapons, and more than something that was stuck in Lilith and was used to kill Arael?", considering the NPC changes to the Arael scene, I think that's what we're being told, in a subtle way.


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