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Postby Bagheera » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:50 pm

View Original PostXard wrote:YF-22 is meh but YF-19 is divine


Text cannot convey the depths of my "meh".

of course as The Mega knows the real problem is that since Plus Valkyries have had more pinko commie flavour, including YF-19 :hahaha:


Again I say "meh".

well that's hardly the most charitable and nuanced reading on Sharon's character (who is the end is just one device, though big one, among others to bring forth some of Plus's major themes)...


Don't give a shit. Argue Frontier, then you'll get somewhere. Plus, meh. Meh, meh, a thousand times meh! Do I need to break out the Shizune here? Meh!
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Postby Twin Drive Sigma Aquarion » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:56 pm

a subtle hint

That was a Macross Frontier reference? I don't remember them saying stuff like that although if Alto said it I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe TDSA should take on this Kampfer nonsense, it sounds like German tanks. :cool:
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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:01 pm

View Original PostXard wrote:Plus was written as a movie originally (thus the OVA script is actually based on film script and not vice versa) and released beforehand as four part OVA mainly to gather interest and publicity for the title

Yeah, I know, that's why I said that it doesn't really count as an example of OVA.
View Original PostXard wrote:but the main reason why Plus looks as damn good as it does is that Kawamori somehow managed to bring in condition that he'd have no set budget limit in the first place/it was insanely high compared to pretty much any other anime in the market (stories differ).

He just had to say that he wanted to turn his non!Macross 80s script into yet another Macross and the magic was done.
View Original PostXard wrote:As for OVAs being dead by the beginning of 90s that's not true - OVAs died out in 1995-1998, early 90s continued 80s OVA period with no noticeable changes for a while, boosted by hopes of conquering american market.

They were already dying, the hope of conquering アメリカ just prolonged the agony.
View Original PostXard wrote:YF-22 is meh but YF-19 is divine

Crap, I made a typo before and everyone is following me, the YF-22 is a real aircraft, the prototype of the Raptor.
View Original PostXard wrote:of course as The Mega knows the real problem is that since Plus Valkyries have had more pinko commie flavour, including YF-19 :hahaha:

That's a good thing, Japanese are bitches for the Flankers, just look at Yamashita.
View Original PostXard wrote:It was dreadful piece of Space Communism

I guess that the American Revolution is an example of Transatlantic Communism for you.
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Postby EvangelionFan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:21 pm

View Original PostDr. Nick wrote:Lordy, there's some on Youtube.

I have a slight idea of what I just saw...


View Original PostInstrumentalityOne wrote:I could enjoy Nisemonogatari for what it was.

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Oral Hygiene Bro, the anime?

I sometimes forget I read that... sometimes it feels like it was written by more than one person. It is good read though, I guess...


View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:Moe Pirates swimsuit episode. I guess there just has to be either a beach or an onsen episode in every fluffy happy anime series.

It does look rather moe doesn't it...


View Original PostXard wrote:The additions are really good though and the film version delivers the definitive death scene from final episode as well as new ending scene. (if forced to make a choice I'd pick OVA but they're pretty much equal in my eyes)

I am in agreement with Xard on Macross Plus, and on the brighter side with the OVA you get the full version of 'After, in the Dark / Torch Song' in the credits... oh, and the action sequences in the second and third episodes that are not in the film.


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At first I thought she was pretty good looking
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View Original PostXard wrote:YF-19 is divine

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Also that 'cap of the text from Jinrui was honestly funny.


View Original PostXard wrote:This discussion about OVAs reminds me that I watched not too long ago the first OVA ever, Oshii's Dallos

And the first OVA was an Oshii OVA? Added to my to-watch list, but I do have Lain to re-watch next month and hopefully The House of Five Leaves in October.


View Original PostXard wrote:[Dallos] was dreadful piece of Space Communism, vague God allusions and class war with characters no one gives a shit about. Oshii at his absolute weakest in other words, I guess. The animation was pretty cool though.

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:I guess that the American Revolution is an example of Transatlantic Communism for you.

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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:27 pm

View Original PostEvangelionFan wrote:saywhat

If I understand correctly in both cases we have colonists/pioneers who wage war against an exploiting power governing them from afar, if they were Space Communists in Dallos then America's Founding Fathers would be Transatlantic Communists; anyway I'm going to watch this original OVA tomorrow just to see if I was wrong after all.
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Postby Ornette » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:37 pm

View Original PostHyper Shinchan wrote:If I understand correctly in both cases we have colonists/pioneers who wage war against an exploiting power governing them from afar, if they were Space Communists in Dallos then America's Founding Fathers would be Transatlantic Communists; anyway I'm going to watch this original OVA tomorrow just to see if I was wrong after all.

I wouldn't say it's that bad, I hardly noticed any subtext. Either that or I was just bored out of my mind.

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Postby Bagheera » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:15 am

View Original PostEvangelionFan wrote:I am in agreement with Xard on Macross Plus, and on the brighter side with the OVA you get the full version of 'After, in the Dark / Torch Song' in the credits...


It's not the full version, it's just "After, in the Dark" without Torch Song tacked on (Torch Song gets paired with, what is it, Santi-U? on one of the soundtracks). I dearly wish that was available as a standalone MP3 or something, but no dice. :(
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Postby EvangelionFan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:45 am

I wrote it like that because 'Torch Song' is tacked on to the end of 'After, in the Dark' on the first Macross Plus OST. I recall that the one or two of the OVA episodes had the combined song during the credits... oh well. I actually prefer it that way, to be honest.
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Postby Dr. Nick » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:15 pm

Whining about why X is terrible, part 2:

I really don't get what purpose all the predestination bullshit serves in this story, except giving it an extra layer of maliciousness ("Woobie had to die because it says so in the script!") and causing too many plot holes and idiotic moments to count. On top of this there are a lot of scenes with various characters, often children, unironically wondering how the whole situation doesn't make any sense, which is, in my opinion, just bizarre from a storytelling perspective. Why would you have your characters repeatedly draw attention to the shortcomings of your shoddy writing?

All that is evil and wrong in the world of X happens because CLAMP wishes it to happen. They're the true final boss, and it's unfortunate we don't see the heroes beating them down, liberating themselves from the puppet strings of the cosmic fujoshi collective. Too bad, because when they're not succumbing to plot-mandated stupidity, some of them are quite likable people. Hell, a lot of the antagonists like Kusanagi, Satsuki and Yuto are likable, decent people as well. Of course, as such they don't really fit in with the moustache-twirling villains like Seishirou and evil Fuuma, and Kusanagi even narrates out loud how he doesn't like this genocide business, but he has no choice because he's being controlled like a puppet.

The antagonists are supposedly trying to kill everybody because humanity is a planet-consuming cancer and yadda yadda. You may have encountered this villain motivation before, but I've never seen it handled worse than here because it doesn't stem from within the characters. They don't hold any eco-warrior convictions by themselves, that's all beamed down from the CLAMP mind-control HQ. It's absolutely silly when you consider the character occupations and personalities: Kusanagi is a career soldier, Satsuki is a tech wiz girl whose rig guzzles down gigawatts of electricity, and Yuto is a playboy who loves women, whisky and neon lights. And these people are supposed to be Team Environment? What the fuck?

Not only is the story reliant on plot-mandated puppetry, it also features a lot of facepalm-worthy asspulls. These include, but are not limited to, using a murderous double personality as a plot device in order to have a traitor in the good guys' team, and having a computer suddenly become jealous of its operator with practically no build-up whatsoever. Truly, those who use Dell are damned. Even the very last battle is resolved with an out-of-thin-air asspull that unexplainedly changes the supposedly inviolable rules of how the barrier fields operate.

So, the series is pretty much irredeemably wretched in the story department, and it isn't worth watching for the visuals or the action either. One of ANN's paid reviewers apparently praised the animation by saying the characters are "never off model". This is technically true: the characters always look like themselves in bland, lifeless environs. There were times when I wondered why the heroes even bother with their barrier fields because there seems to be no citizens around that they could accidentally maul with their uninspired cliche esper powers. Tokyo apparently has neither car traffic nor pedestrians, making it the blandest superhero sandbox ever. Even the mood of the show is predominantly bland, and even though the world teeters at the brink of destruction, there's never any sense of urgency in the proceedings. As for landmark destruction,
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Overall rating: F for fujoshit. But then again, I'm obviously not in the target demographic.

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View Original PostXard wrote:Oshii's Dallos


Did you manage to find a version with proper subs? I remember watching this with crabsicky bootleg subs. I remember it was mostly boring, but there was one sudden burst of awesome insanity in the scene where the MC downs a ground attack aircraft by launching a mining drill up a natural ramp, thus doing the impossible and breaking the unbreakable.

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Postby Hyper Shinchan » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:29 pm

View Original PostDr. Nick wrote:Did you manage to find a version with proper subs?

I think that there aren't proper subs, the bootleg subs actually seem decent enough from the first episode, it's just annoying that the names are all wrong as usual in bootlegs; anyway they could have tried to fix the subs before uploading them on bakabt, they seem consistently wrong so it's just a matter of CTRL-H with Aegisub or even a regular text editor.
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Postby Fireball » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:54 pm

Turn A Gundam

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What a magnificent ride this was. With a clash of two societies who have little left in common and the fact that for once, the battle was about keeping the war from happening at all gave it a very unique spin. At times it was often very slow but it helped build an interesting world and flashing out all the characters. Unlike other Gundam series, Turn A is heavily character driven which is probably why I enjoyed it so much. Every character grows and develops throughout the story and nothing of it feels forced or weird. Even if they make sometimes strange decisions it makes sense in context of the plot so this is actually a Tomino show without any infamous lolTomino. With excitement I followed Sochie and her angry quest for revenge and the emotions she had to go through all while kicking ass in a Kapool. Dianna and Kihel also had a great chemistry going on and each felt really sympathetic and worked hard given the situations they were put into. Whoever says Tomino hates women has not seen Turn A. Together with Loran who may not be the most interesting MC in Gundam's history but definitely the sanest, they always try to smooth edges on both sides of the conflict. Guin, the consummate capitalist who is trying to politically wrestle himself to the top was another cunning character and FUCK YEAH Harry Ord, the greatest Char clone there ever is. I'd love to highlight all the others too but the point is they all felt very human and engaging. The romance was actually good too as far as Gundam goes. It never clashed with the plot, it just lingered and developed in the background subtle yet sweet. It was kind of amusing how everyone was chasing each others tails but it worked out for most of them in the end.

The downside to all this is that the mech battles played less of a pivotal role. The few fights by itself however were well choreographed and the designs of the units were a refreshing mix of old and new. It's probably the most practical way I've seen a Gundam being used in- and outside of combat. It really felt like a tool of hope instead of an idealistic boys toy. My only gripe would be the crotch cockpit but hey, it makes it look like a robot walking around with a mustache and a boner - any arguments are invalid.

The art and animation was consistently solid and the soundtrack....dear god the soundtrack - I'm Yoko Kanno's audiological slave for ever and ever.


With this highlight I'd like to stop watching Gundam because with the remaining SEED and 00 I'm afraid it's all downhill from here and I'd like to keep this beautiful memory for a while. I will take on the remaining ones sooner or later though.



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Postby Mr. Tines » Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:50 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:Maybe TDSA should take on this Kampfer nonsense, it sounds like German tanks. :cool:
That would be amusing.

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Postby KnightmareX13 » Wed Aug 22, 2012 3:16 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote:That was a Macross Frontier reference? I don't remember them saying stuff like that although if Alto said it I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe TDSA should take on this Kampfer nonsense, it sounds like German tanks. :cool:

Kampfer is also a Zeon Suit from Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in The Pocket
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Postby Tankred » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:09 am

View Original PostTwin Drive Sigma Aquarion wrote: it sounds like German tanks. :cool:


The word you're looking for is Panzerkampfwagen.

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Postby Bagheera » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:26 am



And it is absolutely fucking glorious!
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Postby Final Messenger » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:30 am

View Original PostFireball wrote:My only gripe would be the crotch cockpit but hey, it makes it look like a robot walking around with a mustache and a boner - any arguments are invalid.

i am very temepted to sig this, damn it Fireball your so quotable.

this reminds me that I should really start watching Turn A again.
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Postby driftking18594 » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:32 am

I just finished Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage. I think Rock's Engrish rivals Kaji's. :lol:

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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:12 am

marathoned episodes 3 through 7 of sword art online.
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The only thing that I have to say is Kirito sucks at protecting people and he fails at being a pimp, he also really needs to stop pretending to be a badass. But the episodes ranged from meh to enjoyable to I'll continue to watch.


I also watched Aoi Bungaku.
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the first story was really good but a little bit depressing I don't think I can look at mangaka the same way again


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Postby Ornette » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:26 am

Campione was a let down. There was a bit of optimism because of the source material, but honestly, after 4 episodes, the story was incomprehensible; at least without any foreknowledge of the characters.

Keep watching Aoi Bungaku though. It's a model for why an anime show don't make enough money, but it's 100% quality production and awesome execution. Some of the stories are done really well.

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Postby CJD » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:09 am

View Original Postbobbyfischer's ghost wrote:marathoned episodes 3 through 7 of sword art online.
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The only thing that I have to say is Kirito sucks at protecting people and he fails at being a pimp, he also really needs to stop pretending to be a badass. But the episodes ranged from meh to enjoyable to I'll continue to watch.


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