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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:06 pm

^so I take it you enjoyed Armageddon, or at least The Rock?
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Postby Tarnsman » Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:33 pm

View Original PostTHE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:^so I take it you enjoyed Armageddon, or at least The Rock?


Yes, The Rock for Sean Connery and Armageddon for Steve Buscemi.
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Postby Ornette » Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:11 pm

Funny joke review:

http://deathstarpr.blogspot.com/2011/07/autobots-are-dicks-transformers-dark-of.html

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Postby InstrumentalityOne » Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:35 am

Question on the side:
Did Michael Bay ever watch a Mecha anime (film)?

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Postby Sanctus Scorpius » Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:44 pm

You know, I really don't like the designs for most of the Decepticons in these films.
And no, this isn't because of G1 nostalgia. I didn't even grow up with G1.

I mean how almost all of them have the same bland color schemes and in the midst of fast-paced action and such, it gets rather hard to even tell them apart at times.

Not really a fan on how most act like generic monsters either.

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Postby chee » Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:15 pm

I just saw it (without paying. I'm not giving Michael Bay my money.)

I'd offer my opinion in full, but that would involve a lot of shrieking obscenities and possible self-harm. So I'll just be brief and say it in two words:


DEEP WANG

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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:10 am

^ha ha, you're not the only one
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Postby C.A.P. » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:21 pm

View Original Postchee wrote:DEEP WANG


And now I have a excuse to post the following...

From Spoony

From Brad Jones

And both of them
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Postby Fazmotron » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:18 am

Did Michael Bay realise the movie was going a bit long so he was just like, "fuck it, all the bad guys died for some reason, THE END".
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Postby Tarnsman » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:02 am

View Original PostC.A.P. wrote:From Spoony


Ugh. Every time I hear that man talk I want to instantly disagree with whatever he says regardless of if I agree with it or not. Brad's cool though, and I mostly agree with his assessment of the film.
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Postby Bagheera » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:45 pm

Coming from someone who strongly dislikes Michael Bay films (The Rock and Armageddon in particular), who was kinda meh on the first TF flick and mostly unhappy with the second, and who thinks action films are generally (though not always) a waste of time and money in the best case:

It was pretty good, actually. The plot held together well (far better than it did in either of the other movies -- there were no blatant plot holes that rendered entire scenes pointless), the action sequences were easy to follow, there were no pointless human scenes (well, everything about Sam was pointless, but apart from that), and the comedy relief characters were relegated to the background. I enjoyed it.

Mind, I didn't love it -- the human characters were vapid and shallow as always (par for the course in Hollywood movies these days), the Decepticons were unforgivably weak, and there were some serious editing goofs (when the hell did Bumblebee and the others get captured, anyway?). It was not, by any stretch, a great movie. But it was far better than I expected, to the point where I think the criticism being levied against it is unfairly harsh.
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Postby Fazmotron » Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:42 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:But it was far better than I expected, to the point where I think the criticism being levied against it is unfairly harsh.

It was better than most people expected, because the expectations were so low, but that doesn't make it a good film, or make the criticism unfair.
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jul 06, 2011 5:42 am

View Original PostFazmotron wrote:It was better than most people expected, because the expectations were so low, but that doesn't make it a good film, or make the criticism unfair.


True. I think the criticism is unfair based solely on its own merits (or lack thereof). I have plenty of my own, of course (see above), but the reviews C.A.P. linked are a good example of biased reporting at its worst.
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Postby Seele00TextOnly » Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:18 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:but the reviews C.A.P. linked are a good example of biased reporting at its worst.

Well those are more so editorials than 'reporting'. I mean these guys professionally nitpick stuff to comedic extremes of outrage and that's what their fans want. They're not supposed to be unbiased. They express the frustration that most any writers/creators (or would-be ones) feel at seeing crap like this receive so much success and freaking applause. Anyone listening to their reviews can decide for themselves whether they have a problem with, say, a lowbrow popcorn flick invoking 9/11 and Challanger disaster imagery or using extensive objectification of women and racial stereotypes for its 'humor' all while joining the ranks of the most profitable films of all time.

If people want to settle for less, and ever increasingly they're making that more and more clear, then they're free to do so. But when folks call them out on the bullshit and express outrage, calling it 'biased reporting at its worst' is completely missing the point.
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Postby Tarnsman » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:10 am

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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:41 am

View Original PostSeele00TextOnly wrote:If people want to settle for less, and ever increasingly they're making that more and more clear, then they're free to do so. But when folks call them out on the bullshit and express outrage, calling it 'biased reporting at its worst' is completely missing the point.


Don't know what to tell ya. If the film's that awful it should be easy to pick it apart objectively (and of course, it is). If they can't be bothered to do that I can't be bothered to pay them any more mind than they do the industry they so loathe.
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Postby Tarnsman » Wed Jul 06, 2011 11:50 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Don't know what to tell ya. If the film's that awful it should be easy to pick it apart objectively (and of course, it is). If they can't be bothered to do that I can't be bothered to pay them any more mind than they do the industry they so loathe.


Being a critic is subjective. It's impossible to truly objectively review anything in media due to art and taste being subjective. Jim Sterling over at Destructoid did a great parody review when people gave him crap about his FF13 review being "too subjective".

As for Brad and Spoony: nitpicking is a valid form of criticism, if the minor details add up to detract from your overall enjoyment of a work that's a very big problem. But I wouldn't consider things like bitching about how 90% of the cast was comic relief or how the Transformers are supporting characters in their own movies, nitpicking.
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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:22 pm

View Original PostTarnsman wrote:Being a critic is subjective. It's impossible to truly objectively review anything in media due to art and taste being subjective.


It's not impossible to make the effort, though. That's what professional film critics try to do. Reviews like the ones you linked are fun and all if you've already decided you hate the movie, but if you haven't they're just a bunch of bile that does more to turn the viewer off of the critic than the film.

Such was my experience, anyway.

As for Brad and Spoony: nitpicking is a valid form of criticism, if the minor details add up to detract from your overall enjoyment of a work that's a very big problem. But I wouldn't consider things like bitching about how 90% of the cast was comic relief or how the Transformers are supporting characters in their own movies, nitpicking.


Neither of those is valid, though. Hell, both are far less true of this film than they were for both of its predecessors.
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Postby Merridian » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:56 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:It's not impossible to make the effort, though. That's what professional film critics try to do. Reviews like the ones you linked are fun and all if you've already decided you hate the movie, but if you haven't they're just a bunch of bile that does more to turn the viewer off of the critic than the film.
Reviews aren't supposed to be objective anyway. Pseudo-objective interpretation is what analyses are for. Reviews are intended to give the reader an idea as to whether or not he should watch the film, and they're often accompanied by some explanations as to what he could expect while watching it. There's obviously a lot of room for subjectivity there, but formal critiques and analyses generally entail a lot more effort, support, and thought than a review does.

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Postby Bagheera » Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:08 pm

View Original PostMerridian wrote:Reviews aren't supposed to be objective anyway. Pseudo-objective interpretation is what analyses are for. Reviews are intended to give the reader an idea as to whether or not he should watch the film, and they're often accompanied by some explanations as to what he could expect while watching it. There's obviously a lot of room for subjectivity there, but formal critiques and analyses generally entail a lot more effort, support, and thought than a review does.


There's a difference between a normal review and the internet tripe that passes for such these days, though.

Of course, I wind up dismissing even professional reviewers left and right as they often obviously aren't paying attention to the movie, so perhaps I'm more critical than most.
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