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Postby Allemann » Sat May 14, 2011 6:11 am

Russia is a member of the UN Security Council, and a member of the HIC is a Russian. As we all know, the UN is an organization by which Seele influences the world. Russia is still an influential country in NGE. The show just doesn't delve on geopolitics irrelevant to the plot.

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Postby Kendrix » Sat May 14, 2011 6:21 am

View Original PostAllemann wrote:Russia is a member of the UN Security Council, and a member of the HIC is a Russian. As we all know, the UN is an organization by which Seele influences the world. Russia is still an influential country in NGE. The show just doesn't delve on geopolitics irrelevant to the plot.


^This.

As for the SEELE ppl, which of the four we see has which number? It should be easy to tell by the voice actors...
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Postby Allemann » Sat May 14, 2011 6:28 am

View Original PostKendrix wrote:As for the SEELE ppl, which of the four we see has which number? It should be easy to tell by the voice actors...


France - Yellow
Russia - Blue
United States of America - Green
United Kingdom - Red

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Postby Bagheera » Sat May 14, 2011 6:30 am

@Allemann: You're missing the point. See my previous comment to Kendrix.

@Tines: That's a good point, but the fact that there's a Russian in SEELE indicates Anno and co. still thought Russia would have some play in the world of NGE. And, broken or not, it's not like Japan's nearest neighbor is just gonna up and disappear.
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Postby Allemann » Sat May 14, 2011 6:48 am

View Original PostBagheera wrote:@Allemann: You're missing the point.


I don't see any meaningful point. Asking why they didn't give Russia a more prominent role is like asking why Gendo's sweater isn't a different shade of red.

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Postby Someone » Sat May 14, 2011 7:16 am

No Soviet Russia joke yet? I'm amazed....

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Postby Kendrix » Sat May 14, 2011 9:15 am

View Original PostAllemann wrote:France - Yellow
Russia - Blue
United States of America - Green
United Kingdom - Red


Not the nationalities, the numbers! (i.e,. when we see them via monoliths)

W know Keel is "SEELE 01", but what about the other few guys we see?
I think the french guy who's always complaining is no 4...

*silly mode*Also, somewhere a feminist is crying and demanded to be included in the ancient conspiracy. Maybe that's what TRULY turned Yui against them XD */silly*
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Postby thewayneiac » Sat May 14, 2011 10:31 am

View Original PostSomeone wrote:No Soviet Russia joke yet? I'm amazed....


O.K. An oldie but a goodie.

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Postby Fireand'chutes77 » Sat May 14, 2011 10:46 am

View Original PostSomeone wrote:No Soviet Russia joke yet? I'm amazed....

I've been itching for a "I can see Russia from my [s]house[/s] Eva!" reference, but I suppose politics is best avoided...

Thanks for the list of HIP's color coding, by the way. How in the world were we supposed to figure that out in the show? I pity those poor people from 1995 who were watching it live for the first time on TV and hadn't thought to fire up the VCR...
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Postby Stryker » Sat May 14, 2011 5:13 pm

View Original PostSomeone wrote:No Soviet Russia joke yet? I'm amazed....


In Soviet Russia, you pilot many Eva mechs while Shinji embarks on epic journey of insanity filled with mindrapes!

Happy? Read that in Nikolai's voice and you're golden. Feel free to deviate on that.
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Postby gwern » Sun May 15, 2011 7:09 pm

View Original PostReichu wrote:@Tarnsman: Anime seems to have a soft spot for France, as well. (I can think of more references to France off the top of my head than to Korea. Then, I could say the same for the U.K...)


Worth remembering that France is one of the largest anime/manga markets in the world (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Manga_publishers#French or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_nouvelle_manga ), and that Japan has long had an interest in and veneration of France, leading to entertaining things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
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Postby Bagheera » Sun May 15, 2011 8:06 pm

View Original Postgwern wrote:Worth remembering that France is one of the largest anime/manga markets in the world (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Manga_publishers#French or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_nouvelle_manga ), and that Japan has long had an interesting and veneration of France, leading to entertaining things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome


Wait, so they venerate Germany and France? :gasp:
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Postby gwern » Sun May 15, 2011 8:14 pm

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Wait, so they venerate Germany and France? :gasp:


You say that like outsiders care. Europeans can enjoy Chinese & Japanese literature and care not at all for the, shall we say, tensions.

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Postby Bagheera » Sun May 15, 2011 8:31 pm

View Original Postgwern wrote:You say that like outsiders care. Europeans can enjoy Chinese & Japanese literature and care not at all for the, shall we say, tensions.


Yeah, that's true. It was just a bit of a shock, that's all.
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Postby Carl Horn » Mon May 16, 2011 12:12 am

It is worth noting that one of the heroines of Anno's Gunbuster, Jung-Freud, was a Soviet space pilot, so I don't think he has shown any special prejudice against Russian* characters.

As mentioned before, Japan has a history of conflict with Russia and an unresolved territorial dispute over the Kurile Islands, but that's not exactly a front-burner security issue compared to North Korea and China. Today Russia is mainly (like almost everyone else) a trading partner with Japan, and thousands of Russians reside in Japan, mainly in Tokyo, Hokkaido, and Niigata. Niigata does a lot of business with the Russian port of Nakhodka, across the Sea of Japan. Vladivostok is famous as a naval port; but precisely for that reason it was closed to foreign shipping during the Cold War, so its lesser-known neighbor of Nakhodka is where the foreign trade got done. Ironically, many of the Japanese connections in Nakhodka came through returning POWs, who were held as forced laborers there and elsewhere in the USSR well into the 1950s (i.e., years after Japan's surrender).

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*"Jung-Freud" may seem like a funny name for a Russian, but so does "Sophie Friederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg" ^_^


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