Asuka after Instrumentality

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Postby Knuckles » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:48 pm

No I've never heard of the Lilith selecting certain people theory, there was never any mention of that anywhere. The opposite was mentioned actually, I believe they specifically state 'everyone/anyone' can come back, and while they say this, they flash to multiple remains of people's dead bodies (like Misato's jacket). The inclination I got was that people who died recently up til a certain past date were tanged and could come back.

Also, note that Kaji was killed like, what, a couple days before EoE? It's likely that his body/soul was still floating around at the time.
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Postby Miuzaki » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:58 pm

Although to say that is to discard the theory of why Rei appears everywhere. You know, just before people die.

It is very possible that it is a timespan but registering this theory opens up some holes.

Not to say that the Liliths make any more sense, its just that there would be no purpose in them then. So this theory kind of grew.

But either way, who is going to be able to come out of instrumentality.
Say... The main characters.

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Postby AshPhoenix » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:23 pm

View Original PostMiuzaki wrote:Although to say that is to discard the theory of why Rei appears everywhere. You know, just before people die.

Rei appears as whatever the person desires most right before they get Tanged (e.g., Fuyutsuki sees Yui, Gendo sees Yui/Eva-01, and Hyuga sees Misato). It's not that she's picking people to go into Instrumentality.

It is very possible that it is a timespan but registering this theory opens up some holes.

Such as?

But either way, who is going to be able to come out of instrumentality.
Say... The main characters.

Everybody can come out of Instrumentality if that's what they wish (and if they can form the shape of their personality). Rei said so herself.
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Postby Combs » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:34 am

View Original PostMiuzaki wrote:Although to say that is to discard the theory of why Rei appears everywhere. You know, just before people die.

It is very possible that it is a timespan but registering this theory opens up some holes.


I find it plausible that Lilith, as of instrumentality, can access any point in time for pilots. That's why Rei appears at the beginning and ending of the series, and it's Lilith normally talking to Shinji in the train car, not just a Rei in Shinji's mind.
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Postby Miuzaki » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:20 am

I said it opened up some holes as in it would take away from the meaning of Lilith appearing by all the characters before they die or decompose into LCL.

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Postby thewayneiac » Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:54 am

View Original PostKnuckles wrote:Also, note that Kaji was killed like, what, a couple days before EoE? It's likely that his body/soul was still floating around at the time.


Quite a bit longer than that, actually. Asuka was missing for a week before they found her in that bathtub. That's on top of however much time it took for:

Ep. 22: Asuka fights Arael

Ep. 23: Asuka runs away to Hikari's place, Rei fights Armisael.

Also, Asuka seems to have left Hikari's and returned to Misato's apartment sometime after Ep. 23; they are in Misato's kitchen when Shinji tells Asuka that Kaji is dead, triggering her final breakdown and week long disapearance.

Of course, it's a different continuity, but the Manga supports the notion that Rei is travelling back to collect select individuals for Instrumentality. When the dying Kaji sees his old gang, that is obviously Sadamoto's way of preparing us for Kaji in Instrumentality. He is seeing them in the same way that others will see Misato, Yui, and Ritsuko. (i.e., they are a transformed phantom Rei.)
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Postby Knuckles » Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:54 pm

Ahh, alright thanks. Been a while since I watched the series :P
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Postby Stryker » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:16 pm

Until someone finds written/typed proof that people can't be instrumentalized after a period of time, I deny that they can't. Washington, I want you back with me! NOW!

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Postby Redaye » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:18 pm

Hmmm. For a bit o' fanwank, perhaps they should also have included a quick panning shot of the cemetary again, showing Reis standing in front of every marker. Would have cleared up a lot of the confusion.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:08 am

Rei/Lilith drawing everyone who ever lived into some kind of afterlife would tie up all the Western religious imagery in the series nicely. I'm thinking of Revelations 21:1-4.
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Postby driftking18594 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:08 pm

If previously dead people can come out of the LCL Sea, I want to see Asuka knocking the shit out of Adolf Hitler. :asuka_thumbsup:

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Postby Bagheera » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:25 pm

In all likelihood it amounts to people who were alive when 3I took place (or very close to it, as in Asuka's case). Kaji's probably pushing it; yes, he was in Shinji's Instrumentality sequence, but that doesn't mean he'll be coming out of the muck. Anyone farther back is a non-starter.

(not to say it isn't possible, but c'mon; it's not like those souls were just sitting around for all this time. No souls, no bodies).
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Postby Henry Spencer » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:08 pm

View Original Postdriftking18594 wrote:If previously dead people can come out of the LCL Sea, I want to see Asuka knocking the shit out of Adolf Hitler. :asuka_thumbsup:


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It's funny you should mention that. There seems to be a fanfic where fictional characters get to do just that.
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Postby Reichu » Tue May 01, 2012 10:10 pm

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:as to the rest, they're all floating around in earth orbit doing shit all until they decide to reincarnate.

The souls of humanity escape from the destroyed Black Moon and dissipate across the Earth's surface. That's blood in orbit (and no way to know whether it might have souls in it or not).

don't quote me on this but I think Eva does support reincarnation even outside a Third Impact context, like a soul recycling system.

I don't know about reincarnation per se, but Kaworu's NGE2 PSP ending lets us infer that souls probably reproduce in a fashion.

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Postby NemZ » Tue May 01, 2012 11:04 pm

View Original Postdriftking18594 wrote:If previously dead people can come out of the LCL Sea, I want to see Asuka knocking the shit out of Adolf Hitler. :asuka_thumbsup:


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