Eva-01, Eva-08 and Eva-06

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition").
The third installment debuted in Japan on November 17, 2012.

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Postby rilocay » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:57 am

I originally questioned this in the key of neb thread but it's probably more fit here...

Gendo and Fuyutsuki's talk about a real evangelion and what not made me think the real unit 1 (from the original series/eoe - yes i know sequel talk again!) is actually in unit 06 and not in 08. Unless the translation i read quoted was wrong - they explicitly say mark/(unit?) 06.
This then brings it down for Gendo to use as he wants, as it has now been awoken.

To quote Legandary:
Gendo: The true Evangelion...
Gendo: Its completion will be ushered in by the current body containing Unit-01.
Fuyutsuki: The Mark-06, isn't it?
Fuyutsuki: This means what they are trying to create is not a false god, but a true god at last?
Gendo: Yes. We must hasten the awakening of Unit-01.



Bit of a fan-wank, and probably has holes in it i'm unaware of due to me being rusty in all things eva, but it seems quite convenient to me!

*edited for clarification, quote inserted.
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Postby Reichu » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:15 am

Yeah, your post is basically tangent bait. You might want to copy and paste + edit the majority of it so that it's in this thread only.

I'm not really sure how you're coming to your conclusions from that quote. When Fuyutsuki mentions the "Mark-06", he's referring to the "true Evangelion" that Gendo has just mentioned. Eva-01 is a totally separate entity in the conversation. I don't see anything indicating that they're identifying Eva-06 with Eva-01. There's nothing elaborating upon exactly what "the current body containing Eva-01" is supposed to mean, for that matter.
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Postby rilocay » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:16 am

Yeah i guess it's just hopeful fanwanking. There's nothing (thus far) to really support that Gendo, Fuyutsuki or Seele for that matter are knowledgeable about any "prior" events or eva's let alone being in that same universe (bar a few questionable shots and phrases). I'll give it one last fan wank below.

I'm reading it as Fuyutsuki is saying that mark-6 is the current body containing unit 01 (another - the original "true evangelion" unit 01, so to speak).

When it comes into mind it was taken out of context too, but never the less, let's get back to more interesting territory with these discussions :).

I do think that what unit 06 may be though, could be more important than what unit 08 is/ is made from. It's hard to say with so little detail, but i get the feeling 08 will simply be an instrument.

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Postby J3N0V4 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:43 am

I pretty much agree with rilocay

I think that if the sequel theory stands as every thing is repeating itself then the Mark-06 is the original Unit-01 from EoE that eventually drifted into the moon after a few million re-happenings of EoE, Seele, Gendou and the rest of the supper happy fun crew put 1 and 1 together and made 6 in hope of bringing an end to the eternal cycle
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 pm

View Original PostI quote myself wrote:Hopefully this is a better quality Kaworu pic (ripped by me from the 720p version BD):

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I think Kaworu IS with the other 4 pilots, and there is some sort of purification ritual (or Kaworu/the rest were submerged in LCL/were just in the Entry Plugs), which would nicely tie in with all the sumo babbling (regarding Eva-01, 06 and I think 08?) by Gendo and Fuyutsuki in 2.22.


A thought occurs. If there really was (a) new pilot(s), surely they would be included in the Kaworu and 4 shadows scene (assuming he is with the pilots), considering the "children chosen by fate finally assemble." line during the Q preview.

I think this means that Eva-08 (and Eva-07?) ARE indeed going to go to pilots we're already familiar with instead of a new pilot (Toji or Kensuke? Not enough time to fill them out.) or a brand new character (Mari's more than enough, she has enough mysteries and a hidden agenda on her without constraining things further by adding a new pilot to the roster).
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Postby Lonecow12 » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:17 pm

I honestly don't believe there will be any more pilots then the crew we got now.

They would have shown their face in the trailer if ONLY so they could sell merchandise of them for two years before Q comes out. (See Mari).

It's too late in the game to introduce new characters. The children will join Kawrou and rebel.

Shinji hates his father and NERV, why would he stick around. Asuka is being used as a lab rat instead of being cured, AND was betrayed by Gendou who tried to kill her. Rei is sick of being a doll, and will do whatever Shinji says (irony). And then Mari already said she wants nothing to do with the adults.

Mark my words. This next film will be kids vs. adults. In with the new and out with the old will be the message.

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Postby gwern » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:23 am

That's a fine theory, Lonecow, and in keeping with Mari's comments; but what do you make of Anno's belief that there are no adults in Japan?

To quote comments he made to Atlantic Monthly (http://eva.onegeek.org/pipermail/evangelion/2010-September/006496.html http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5317066/eva/2007-atlanticmonthly-letsdietogether.txt):

'Anno pauses for a moment, and gives a dark-browed stare out the window. "I don't see any adults here in Japan," he says, with a shrug. "The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn't have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government. They would have been far too embarrassed to open a book of cartoons or dirty pictures on a train. But that's what we have now in Japan. We are a country of children."'

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Postby JoeD80 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:05 pm

View Original PostSailor Star Dust wrote:A thought occurs. If there really was (a) new pilot(s), surely they would be included in the Kaworu and 4 shadows scene (assuming he is with the pilots), considering the "children chosen by fate finally assemble." line during the Q preview.

I think this means that Eva-08 (and Eva-07?) ARE indeed going to go to pilots we're already familiar with instead of a new pilot (Toji or Kensuke? Not enough time to fill them out.) or a brand new character (Mari's more than enough, she has enough mysteries and a hidden agenda on her without constraining things further by adding a new pilot to the roster).

My guess is that Mari won't be one of the children at the gathering since she's following her own agenda that seems to only be known to Kaji at this point.

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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:11 pm

Mari's middle right. You can see pigtails in the shadow.
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Postby JoeD80 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:58 am

I thought so at first but it's just that the white line going through the neck gives the shadow a weird effect.

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Postby Azathoth » Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:08 pm

View Original PostJoeD80 wrote:I thought so at first but it's just that the white line going through the neck gives the shadow a weird effect.


Still: if not Mari, then who? Surely nobody in Rebuild besides Asuka, Shinji, Mari, Rei, and Kaworu qualifies as one of the "children chosen by fate."
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Postby skikes » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:36 pm

View Original PostIrkenEvangelion wrote:Mari's middle right. You can see pigtails in the shadow.


JOED80 is right. The white line going through the shadow gives the illusion of pigtails.
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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:44 pm

Yea, you're right. Stupid line, it's like the line purposely gets thinner to give the illusion... Here's a 1080p shot.

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Postby JoeD80 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:51 pm

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:Still: if not Mari, then who? Surely nobody in Rebuild besides Asuka, Shinji, Mari, Rei, and Kaworu qualifies as one of the "children chosen by fate."
Hikari :shrug:

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Postby Azathoth » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:24 pm

View Original PostJoeD80 wrote:Hikari :shrug:


Man. Has she even had a line in Rebuild? I honestly can't think of one. I can't even remember her voice.
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Postby IrkenEvangelion » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:52 pm

Toji asks her if they can use the bathroom in 1.0. Topic.
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Postby Hawq » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:51 am

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:Man. Has she even had a line in Rebuild? I honestly can't think of one. I can't even remember her voice.
She talks to Asuka in 2.22, though only about joining her for lunch at her desk

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Postby Azathoth » Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:03 am

View Original PostChrad wrote:Q's preview refers to 'the quickening of Eva Unit-08 and its pilot'. Since Shinji is inside a womb at the end of 2.0, it makes sense that he's the 'pilot' being referred to.


I still prefer my theory that Rei is the pilot of Unit 08 and Shinji is its resident soul. I've always wanted to see an Eva with those pretty blue eyes...
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Postby Seph » Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:05 pm

View Original PostAzathoth wrote:I still prefer my theory that Rei is the pilot of Unit 08 and Shinji is its resident soul. I've always wanted to see an Eva with those pretty blue eyes...

I know you're joking, but I would be absolutely fascinated if they decided to use Shinji's soul for the core of Unit 08, and we got to see at least some of it from his point of view.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:52 pm

Batshit insane Eva-08 speculation, ahoy!

From Reichu with love wrote:SHIT FROM REICHU’S SKETCHBOOK/JOURNAL…

Eva-06 lands alongside Eva-01. It grabs the Spear and activates something.

01 briefly spasms, the eyes lighting up for a second. The armor down the torso and along the hips shatters. The abdomen starts swelling.

06 wraps an arm around 01 and fondles the bulging belly.

Kaworu: ii yo, Shinji-kun…

Ritsuko starts spouting.

Ritsuko: Shinji-kun is being drawn out of Eva-01. And it’s as I feared…

Eva-01’s eyes glow green together with the gem on the Spear. Her thighs part. Drops of blood start pattering down. She moans…

Misato: Eva-01 is…?

The Eva groans. The mysterious stranger from the heavens begins to pull something out of her. Something is being born.

Ritsuko: Shinji-kun tried to use Eva-01 to his own selfish ends. Even if it meant giving up his human form. Seele were expecting this. They were waiting the entire time. And now, Shinji-kun…

Eva-06 pulls out a gangly, blood-covered, 3-eyed baby out of Eva-01.

The eyes open. They’re a beautiful shade of blue.

Misato: Three blue eyes…?

It starts screaming horrifically.

Misato: That thing?! That creature is—??

Ritsuko: In the end, nothing more than a puppet. Shinji-kun has no free will anymore. No… Perhaps he never had any in the first place. And now, he’s the same as his mother.

Kaworu in the cockpit, presumably addressing “Shinji”.

Kaworu: This is the only way you will learn the truth. Together, we will at last be able to escape this falsehood. Then, we will truly be reborn.

MORE FROM REICHU'S SKETCHBOOK/JOURNAL OF HORRORS

(EVA-08 is being subjected to accelerated maturation within GOLGOTHA BASE. The half-naked juvenile Eva floats in the darkness over its own halo. The blue eyes stare out emptily.

Shinji monologues in psychological space.)

Shinji: Mother… Ayanami…
They’re not here.
Where am I?

Shinji: This power…
The power of Eva…
The power of me.

(Eva-08’s three exposed eyes start glowing.)

Shinji: The power of… what I used to be.

(Adams.)

Shinji: Second Impact… What does it have to do with me?
Shinji Ikari… Who is he?
This body… It’s different.
This isn’t Shinji. But it’s me.
Mother… Mother made this body, like she made the one before.
But, what is Mother? What am I?
Not human. Not anymore.
Something more than human.
And yet, like this… imprisoned… not completely human.

Shinji: Why?
Mother… Ayanami…
Misato… Asuka… Toji… Kensuke…
Mari-san…
Kaji-san… Ritsuko-san…
Father…
I just wanted to be happy.
But now…
Now I’m Eva.

===SEELE===

Seele: Shinji Ikari has outlived his usefulness as the Third Boy.

Seele: Services will continue to be rendered in the Third’s new form—

Seele: Evangelion Unit-08, currently being prepared as our servant at Golgotha Base.

Seele: The First Girl is already being recalibrated into a new body to serve as its pilot.

Seele: However, even with those two extracted, this still leaves Eva-01 in possession of the Forbidden Fruit it acquired from the 10th Angel.

Seele: Indeed. What can be done to make contrition for such hubris?

Seele: Perhaps Unit 01 will yet have a role to play. In our own scenario — not that traitor Ikari’s.

===Gendo & Fuyu===

Gendo and Fuyutsuki have evaded the crackdown on Nerv HQ and are attempting to infiltrate the mysterious Golgotha Base. In an attempt to foil Seele’s efforts to manipulate Shinji and Rei, perhaps.

Here’s some stuff for them to mysteriously say to one another.

Fuyutsuki: So your son has been returned to his original form at last.

Gendo: No. Seele will prevent that from truly happening.

Fuyutsuki: The pilot of Eva-06 began the process. But was it part of Seele’s scenario, I wonder? That boy… He seems to have an agenda of his own.

Eventually, the two discover the completed Eva-08.

Gendo: Eva Unit 08. So they’ve completed it already.

Fuyutsuki: This is very dangerous, Ikari. In the hands of Seele, powered by the soul of your son… Both feel betrayed by you.

Gendo: But we still have Eva Unit 01. …and Eva-07.
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