Post-Second Impact Political Landscape
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Post-Second Impact Political Landscape
What do we know of the political landscape post-second impact? Wknow there was a world war immediately following Second Impact. We know since then the UN has been transformed into a unified, militarized organization. The four great powers of Post-2I world seem to be Japan, America, Germany, and China. Is there is any other information out there?
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America's NOT a power. It's pretty explicit that life in the US has been shot to hell, especially from Episode Seven ("That country is allergic to unemployment, after all."). Germany is ascendant, however. It's always been second rate to France and Britain, but now those two places are flooded. China is doing all right, India's been nuked to hell, Brazil probably flooded and lost its power... Rebuild's not especially relevant here, but it's not spoilery to point out that there's indications that Russia is doing okay in that continuity at least. Presumably any land that has nothing between it and Antarctica has lost power.
So basically, the UN is probably really powerful and all the countries that matter are happily a part of it.
So basically, the UN is probably really powerful and all the countries that matter are happily a part of it.
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Allemann wrote:planet news wrote:Everything is apparently ruled and orchestrated by Seele. Including the UN.
Most people overstate and overrate SEELE's influence on the global political theater.
Incorrect.
The Classified Information wrote:An esoteric secret society born during the medieval Dark Ages and originally a religious order. Slowly but surely, they extended their influence, until at last they crushed the final forces of opposition in the mid-20th century and became a latent power with covert rule over human society.
Seele rules the world.
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Allemann wrote:Most people overstate and overrate SEELE's influence on the global political theater.
Including official materials. "Secret society that rules the world" is an age-old trope that's clearly being used. Let's just accept it and move on.
Legendary wrote:America's NOT a power.
They have representation in the Instrumentality Committee, and they host two entire branches of Nerv (up until episode 17, anyway). In NGE terms, they're a world power.
I'd consider the big seven post-3I to be (no particular order): Germany, Japan, US, UK, Russia, China, France.
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I would think the countries whose populations are mostly at least one hundred miles away from coastlines are doing well (Germany, Russia, err, everyone else loves waterfront views apparently).
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Allemann wrote:thewayneiac wrote:Seele rules the world.
Only the U.N.
What part of
The Classified Information wrote:An esoteric secret society born during the medieval Dark Ages and originally a religious order. Slowly but surely, they extended their influence, until at last they crushed the final forces of opposition in the mid-20th century and became a latent power with covert rule over human society.
don't you understand?
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thewayneiac wrote:What part ofThe Classified Information wrote:An esoteric secret society born during the medieval Dark Ages and originally a religious order. Slowly but surely, they extended their influence, until at last they crushed the final forces of opposition in the mid-20th century and became a latent power with covert rule over human society.
don't you understand?
The show gives a different impression and is a higher-tier information than the CE.
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Shin-seiki wrote:Don't forget their ruthless resort to bribes, threats, thuggish violence, and 'disappearing' anyone that crosses them.Xard wrote:"Covert rule over entire humanity" can only happen through manipulating UN.
For that they need muscles ;)
What I'm saying is that SEELE does not have military power by itself to "rule the world". Nr would such rule be "covert"
Sure they do... their military forces just don't know who they really serve.
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Allemann wrote:thewayneiac wrote:What part ofThe Classified Information wrote:An esoteric secret society born during the medieval Dark Ages and originally a religious order. Slowly but surely, they extended their influence, until at last they crushed the final forces of opposition in the mid-20th century and became a latent power with covert rule over human society.
don't you understand?
The show gives a different impression and is a higher-tier information than the CE.
"Not commenting" is not the same as "giving a different impression." By your line of reasoning, we can't use the CI for anything that isn't explicitly explained in the show's continuity, making it 100% useless except for redundant confirmation. SEELE is able to boss around the UN, which bosses around the whole world.
But when have you ever let facts and reality get in the way, right?
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Well, there's always the other things.
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D&R Theater Booklet (same deal):
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I've got quite a bit of untranslated text about Seele, too.
Isn't Allemann just quibbling? (Where is it written that being the stereotypical Puppet Master secret society means you get your way by waving a magic wand?)
EoE Theater Booklet:
[SEELE]
A secret organization that existed since before Second Impact. It covered up the truth about Second Impact and the existence of the Angels, and possesses power exceeding even that of sovereign nations and the UN. After Second Impact, it used the UN as a front to establish the Instrumentality Committee and Special Agency NERV, and to build the Eva series. SEELE's Instrumentality Project proceeded according to the account written in the "Secret Dead Sea Scrolls", and aimed to move humankind to the next level of evolution. However, the loss of the Lance of Longinus and then the further rebellion of NERV Commander Gendou Ikari forced SEELE to modify the plan at the final stage. Incidentally, "Seele" means "soul" in German. Further, the names of all the organizations that are related to SEELE, such as GEHIRN and NERV, are also derived from German. Could it be that SEELE originated in Germany?
D&R Theater Booklet (same deal):
[SEELE]
A secret organization that appears to have been formed even before Second Impact,. It exerted considerable influence over the establishment of Special Agency NERV and promotion of the Instrumentality Project (HCP). It covered up the truth about Second Impact, and possesses power exceeding even that of sovereign nations and the UN. The Instrumentality Project (HCP) and other projects seem to have been carried out according to SEELE's scenario.
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Keel Lorenz: The man behind the Human Instrumentality committee and the heart of the massive organization SEELE, which manipulates the world from the shadows.
I've got quite a bit of untranslated text about Seele, too.
Isn't Allemann just quibbling? (Where is it written that being the stereotypical Puppet Master secret society means you get your way by waving a magic wand?)
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