What happens if you stick a soul in pure LCL?
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What happens if you stick a soul in pure LCL?
Does the body reform, or what?
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For that matter, I wonder what would happen if there wasn't enough LCL to constitute a full adult body (assuming an adult soul)...would bits be 'missing'...maybe they'd come back younger...or just shorter...either way we may now have an in-universe method to chibify whoever we want
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The physics would probably be similar to Shinji in ep20/EoE, also Asuka in EoE. Pretty much what child of Lilith said earlier then. If this was a soul that never had a form to begin with, then who knows. I guess it would depend on what type of soul it is as well then. Or maybe this was the FAR back in the day.
I thought this was essentially discredited a while ago.
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Maybe that's what happened to Adam...Lancea Longinus reduced her to LCL, she put herself back together but too much had dispersed across the Arctic so she came back as an Embryo </blatant>
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Teague wrote:Maybe that's what happened to Adam...Lancea Longinus reduced her to LCL, she put herself back together but too much had dispersed across the Arctic so she came back as an Embryo </blatant>
Crap, I'd actually never thought of it that way. I'm now sold on the soul grows into embryo idea.
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I'd say you get a slightly damp soul, nothing more.
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AuraTwilight wrote:Except LCL is only for Lilith's children. Adam is made of special particle-wave Angel ubermatter which is speshul. If Adam was LCL-based, his body wouldn't even reform due to a lack of a soul.
Well, I seem to recall Akagi mentioning Angel's share a good percentage of Human DNA, which would imply they were made up of much the same collection of chemicals, which is what I understand LCL to be, the chemicals that make up an organism, with all the chemical bonds broken, resulting in nutrient rich soup, which would thus imply if angels are made of much the same chemicals, they're made of much the same LCL-like substance...although this very well might be the product of dub-fail, poor memory and fankery
There is another thing, but it violates RB spoiler-ban, and can be dismissed with alternate continuity...
Your second point stands, although I will at least mention that soul division doesn't rule things out completely...[/spoiler]
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They share that percentage of our GENES, but DNA (which is technically different), isn't mentioned. Regardless, despite their similarities, Angels are made of a Particle-Wave Matter, which is separate from LCL and operates by different rules. They're basically made of hard light.
The Rebuild thing you're talking about is a total toss up, I admit, but it's a different universe.
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while genes and DNA aren't the same thing, the former implies the latter, unless you're going for a different definition of "gene" than a region of the genomic sequence. genes imply DNA, and DNA means a five-carbon sugar, a nitrogenous base and phosphate groups.
the angels might be made of particle-wave matter all they want, but they've gotta have regular DNA in there somewhere, at least according to ritsuko.
that said, DNA != the body. it's more like DNA is the instruction manual on how to build a body. the funny thing here is that while for humans DNA is interpreted in terms of the chemicals that form the body, for angels similar DNA is interpreted into a completely different type of matter altogether. angel magicks at work? so angel-LCL is probably not the same as human-LCL, despite the fact that the basis of both of us, our DNA, is pretty similar.
as far as the topic goes, i always thought the "will of the soul" thing in EoE, where humans can return to their material form if their soul wills it, only happened in EoE, because Shinji made that choice. this is just me speculating of course, but if it wasn't that way, if people could have returned even if Shinji had decided to spend the rest of eternity as mush, it kinda loses its appeal, at least to me.
but then, how did Shinji become solid again after zeruel? i guess unit 01, now having a core, had a similar ability to lilith-rei in "letting" Shinji come back. (yui would be more bossy than Rei when it comes to her son's life, though-- Rei let him choose, yui didn't really give him that courtesy). once again, angel magicks FTW. there's probably no way to come to a decent conclusion on this issue.
the angels might be made of particle-wave matter all they want, but they've gotta have regular DNA in there somewhere, at least according to ritsuko.
that said, DNA != the body. it's more like DNA is the instruction manual on how to build a body. the funny thing here is that while for humans DNA is interpreted in terms of the chemicals that form the body, for angels similar DNA is interpreted into a completely different type of matter altogether. angel magicks at work? so angel-LCL is probably not the same as human-LCL, despite the fact that the basis of both of us, our DNA, is pretty similar.
as far as the topic goes, i always thought the "will of the soul" thing in EoE, where humans can return to their material form if their soul wills it, only happened in EoE, because Shinji made that choice. this is just me speculating of course, but if it wasn't that way, if people could have returned even if Shinji had decided to spend the rest of eternity as mush, it kinda loses its appeal, at least to me.
but then, how did Shinji become solid again after zeruel? i guess unit 01, now having a core, had a similar ability to lilith-rei in "letting" Shinji come back. (yui would be more bossy than Rei when it comes to her son's life, though-- Rei let him choose, yui didn't really give him that courtesy). once again, angel magicks FTW. there's probably no way to come to a decent conclusion on this issue.
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while genes and DNA aren't the same thing, the former implies the latter, unless you're going for a different definition of "gene" than a region of the genomic sequence. genes imply DNA, and DNA means a five-carbon sugar, a nitrogenous base and phosphate groups.
Genes are just information. You could write them in silicon for all it matters, but carbon is just the best thing for it. Regardless, the Angels are not made of DNA.
the angels might be made of particle-wave matter all they want, but they've gotta have regular DNA in there somewhere, at least according to ritsuko.
Not so. Angels no more have to have DNA than a robot made of synthetic flesh does.
that said, DNA != the body. it's more like DNA is the instruction manual on how to build a body. the funny thing here is that while for humans DNA is interpreted in terms of the chemicals that form the body, for angels similar DNA is interpreted into a completely different type of matter altogether. angel magicks at work? so angel-LCL is probably not the same as human-LCL, despite the fact that the basis of both of us, our DNA, is pretty similar.
There is no Angel LCL (except MAYBE in Rebuild), because Angels don't collapse when they lose their AT Field.
as far as the topic goes, i always thought the "will of the soul" thing in EoE, where humans can return to their material form if their soul wills it, only happened in EoE, because Shinji made that choice. this is just me speculating of course, but if it wasn't that way, if people could have returned even if Shinji had decided to spend the rest of eternity as mush, it kinda loses its appeal, at least to me.
The human body exists because of the AT Field. If the rule only applied during EoE, then Shinji wouldn't of been able to come back from Unit 01 after the fight with Zeruel.
but then, how did Shinji become solid again after zeruel? i guess unit 01, now having a core, had a similar ability to lilith-rei in "letting" Shinji come back. (yui would be more bossy than Rei when it comes to her son's life, though-- Rei let him choose, yui didn't really give him that courtesy). once again, angel magicks FTW. there's probably no way to come to a decent conclusion on this issue.
Or, more likely, it was just how Lilith-derived lifeforms exist. Why bother establishing that humans are made of LCL, and need AT Fields to keep form, if the rule only applies during Third Impact?
The *ordering* of information is much the same between Angels and Lillin. The *material* (the type of matter, or the media the info is recorded in) is different (PWM vs. LCL).
Souls do not spontaneously create bodies. Once they have incarnated through the usual reproductive process, they may *return* to that form after 3I, but that doesn't suggest any old soul hanging around can create a body out of LCL without having first come through the established procretaive process of life as it has evolved.
Lilith's Chamber of Guf is already empty, and all the souls that can be here have already been loosed onto the world. Each has had to wait to incarnate through the typical procreative mechanisms we know about, nowhere in the series is it even suggested that free-floating, pre-incarnate souls can manifest themselves directly from LCL.
Souls do not spontaneously create bodies. Once they have incarnated through the usual reproductive process, they may *return* to that form after 3I, but that doesn't suggest any old soul hanging around can create a body out of LCL without having first come through the established procretaive process of life as it has evolved.
Lilith's Chamber of Guf is already empty, and all the souls that can be here have already been loosed onto the world. Each has had to wait to incarnate through the typical procreative mechanisms we know about, nowhere in the series is it even suggested that free-floating, pre-incarnate souls can manifest themselves directly from LCL.
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