Shinji's swimming ability

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Postby Lagann » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:50 pm

In the series it mentions that Shinji cant swim ,so in the End of Evangelion ,after Shinji resurfaces in the sea of lcl,how does he get to the shore if he cant swim?

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Postby Legendary » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:55 pm

Human beings are bouyant. Shinji might have gotten some upward momentum thanks to reforming. With those two facts, and all the oxygen in LCL, he could have breathed until he got above the water.

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Postby pablumatic » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:22 pm

Perhaps all the mixing of minds while in the sea of LCL rubbed off on Shinji and he learned how to swim from somebody else's memory.

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Postby chee » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:57 pm

Plot hole.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Apr 13, 2009 2:57 pm

I was under the impression Shinji was able to float to shore. We see him bobbing up and down when he resurfaces in EoE. (Funny you asked this question, I was curious about it myself at some point.)
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Postby Axell » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:41 pm

Lcl is probably a lot denser than water which would also help. Hes never shown swimming, ie kicking and stroking, he just pops up above the lcl, which as mentioned already is breathable. So even if he took hours to swim to shore, he wouldnt drown

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Postby Twsa'teotu » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:53 pm

he' not really "Swimming" in that LCL isn't....real. It's part of the bigger question "how did he get out of Eva-01", but its basically that "Yui/Rei/Adam/Lilith willed it in her dying moments, when he made his choice"
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Postby Ornette » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:07 pm

Twsa'teotu wrote:he' not really "Swimming" in that LCL isn't....real. It's part of the bigger question "how did he get out of Eva-01", but its basically that "Yui/Rei/Adam/Lilith willed it in her dying moments, when he made his choice"

From: http://www.angelfire.com/anime4/mdwigs/livesequence.html
Original Scenario wrote:(I found an (interesting?) note from Anno, though.
When the Evas are shown descending on Earth, he insisted that we could see them all around the world, at different times of the day. Morning, noon, evening. But _not_ during night. He clearly stressed that point.)

Eva-01 is then shown attracted by the Moon.
Shinji pulls the induction lever, and the plug cover is released by the security device.
Then flows the flashback with Yui and Fuyutsuki talking about the purpose of Eva. This scene remained the same.
The entry plug is ejected from Eva-01.
Yui's hand go away from Shinji's cheek.
You know this one, it's in the finished episode as well. ^^
Yui: "You'll be okay, now."
Shinji "Yes."
Shinji: "Good-bye, mother."
The entry plug falls in the LCL ocean (but Anno adds "maybe we could get rid of that?").
Fade out (Anno: "is there another way?")

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Postby LeoXiao » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:24 pm

Even if Shinji couldn't swim, he could sort of float and dog-paddle his way to shore, that coupled with the tide. It seems that he probably got ejected somewhere near the beach.

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Postby xtr00kvltcorex » Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:25 pm

One theory I have is that Shinji's newfound self-worth through 3I he may have found the confidence/ability to swim.

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Postby NemZ » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:10 pm

Anno just spared us the pathetically awkward limb failings, gasping for breath even though he can breath everything around him, and maybe even a little crying that ensued in Shinji's journey back to land. Probably would have ruined the 'triumphant' moment.

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Postby Soul Fire » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:13 pm

As it's LCL we are talking about here, the need to flail and panic isnt there as it provides oxygen to the lungs automatically. Im sure it is a lot easier getting to the surface if your not fearing for your life. He just had to float to the surface and kick his legs. Even Shinji is capable of that.

As for how he got out of his eva. I imagine he got out the same way Asuka did. He got tanged eventually and once tanged it doesnt seem to matter if there are walls or a cockpit surrounding you. He simply reformed somewhere else other than his eva. His entry plug wasnt ejected as we would have seen him climb out of it again when it was floating on the surface. We know the entry plugs can float after all.

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Postby Twsa'teotu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:58 pm

Ornette wrote:
Twsa'teotu wrote:he' not really "Swimming" in that LCL isn't....real. It's part of the bigger question "how did he get out of Eva-01", but its basically that "Yui/Rei/Adam/Lilith willed it in her dying moments, when he made his choice"

From: http://www.angelfire.com/anime4/mdwigs/livesequence.html
Original Scenario wrote:(I found an (interesting?) note from Anno, though.
When the Evas are shown descending on Earth, he insisted that we could see them all around the world, at different times of the day. Morning, noon, evening. But _not_ during night. He clearly stressed that point.)

Eva-01 is then shown attracted by the Moon.
Shinji pulls the induction lever, and the plug cover is released by the security device.
Then flows the flashback with Yui and Fuyutsuki talking about the purpose of Eva. This scene remained the same.
The entry plug is ejected from Eva-01.
Yui's hand go away from Shinji's cheek.
You know this one, it's in the finished episode as well. ^^
Yui: "You'll be okay, now."
Shinji "Yes."
Shinji: "Good-bye, mother."
The entry plug falls in the LCL ocean (but Anno adds "maybe we could get rid of that?").
Fade out (Anno: "is there another way?")



wait....so the ORIGINAL version of that scene explicitly shows that Shinji got back to Earth by ejecting out of Eva-01?
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Postby Baz » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:08 pm

Twsa'teotu wrote:wait....so the ALLEGED ORIGINAL version of that scene explicitly shows that Shinji got back to Earth by ejecting out of Eva-01?

Fixed. And yes. But that doesn't mean it happened.
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Postby Reichu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:26 pm

Is it time to repost the image of Eva-01 floating in space with the entry plug missing?

Yeah, probably.

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Postby Ornette » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:43 pm

Baz wrote:
Twsa'teotu wrote:wait....so the ALLEGED ORIGINAL version of that scene explicitly shows that Shinji got back to Earth by ejecting out of Eva-01?

Fixed. And yes. But that doesn't mean it happened.

If you follow the original link I provided, at the bottom is a link to where these "Original Scenarios" are, in Japanese. The site's long gone, but you can still fine them via archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20021217023212/www.age.ne.jp/x/t-igrs/eva/serifu/serifu.htm

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Postby Baz » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:12 pm

^ Damn, didn't realize that the original moonspeak was still available. That's really nice. Is there a direct translation of the script comments somewhere, or just the English paraphrasing that is given on that website?
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Postby The Invincible Shinji » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:39 pm

Reichu wrote:Is it time to repost the image of Eva-01 floating in space with the entry plug missing? Yeah, probably.
Shinji did eject the entry plug, its gone in that picture, so i guess his entry plug just sank to the bottom of the ocean.
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Postby Twsa'teotu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:05 pm

Ornette wrote:
Baz wrote:
Twsa'teotu wrote:wait....so the ALLEGED ORIGINAL version of that scene explicitly shows that Shinji got back to Earth by ejecting out of Eva-01?

Fixed. And yes. But that doesn't mean it happened.

If you follow the original link I provided, at the bottom is a link to where these "Original Scenarios" are, in Japanese. The site's long gone, but you can still fine them via archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20021217023212/www.age.ne.jp/x/t-igrs/eva/serifu/serifu.htm


because I am a noobie, please explain to me exactly what it is I'm looking at: i've never heard of this before

and the Japanese site doesn't load on the archive its just gibberish
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