Anonymous_Evafan wrote:That was clearly Yui, Adam, and Lilith doing a wacky ATF projection trick. Gendo actually got bit in half after all.
Clearly? Heh, this is still 26' we're talking about, right?
I suppose that interpretation depends entirely upon what you mean by 'actually', as unit 01 was otherwise occupied at the time. Just because he saw something more complicated are we forced to assume Gendo didn't just end up tanged like everyone else?
They have moved Lilith's soul from Rei II to Rei III and Adam's from Kaworu to Adam. They don't need a 400% synch for soul transfer. Kyoko didn't do this since she still had a body and Adam's soul was bodyless before it was moved to Kaworu.
We don't actually know how it happens besides this way, as anything else happens off camera. It can be assumed that Yui went the same way, and likely Kyoko was a good deal along that road as well before either the process was stopped early or she was salvaged incorrectly.
It wasn't the lol instant death it was made out to be. Rei didn't have to go through with 3I if she didn't want to.
They never said it would instant, just that it was likely. Rei didn't have to do it, but could they have stopped her if she did? Do we have anything other than epic fanwanks to explain what all is needed for the red earth ceremony or any other potential 3I scenarios?
AuraTwilight wrote:Or they could just take the souls from their corpses.
How do they do that? I don't recall any explanation but I assume it is more involved than just yanking a little red ball out of you.
Her body wouldn't have any effect on her AT Field, it's the light of the soul.
Bodies are maintained by the AT field, are they not? So at least -some- of Lilith's field was tied up there. Considering angels keep trying to get there based on some kind of instinctual drive yet don't notice Rei any more particularly then the other pilots leads me to believe that most of Lilith's powers are still anchored to the flesh.
Considering the abilities many angels show to be in more than one place at a time (Iruel, the many transition guides and Rei phantoms, Kwarou dummies and fetus, and all of humanity) is it impossible to assume that maybe Rei is just a single fragment of the larger whole? Are we even sure that all the various existances of Rei Ayanami posses the same soul or soul fragment?
I don't think SEELE made Kaworu at all, and even then, there's no way NERV would know about him that early, nor did SEELE know about Rei that early.
Seele certainly act like they made him, and the commanders don't seem at all suprised by his true identity.
Either it's all just a coincidence that both have similar attributes and have been cloned repeatedly for use in dummy systems or they were based on the same research. If the later, why wouldn't Gendo try to take such an advantage away from the council exclusively? His birthdate (if correct) means he existed in hybrid form previous to Rei.
No way in hell. Rei's not a psychic.
Who said anything about her being a psychic? Being able to understand all forms of language is a very angelic trait to have, and one that is well founded in the various religious sources that were haphazardly used in the creation of this story.
The series makes it pretty clear that the soul and mind are synonymous, and thus so would memories be. And Yui and Kaworu have no memory problems.
How do we know that Yui is 'all there'? Did Kwarou actually have any memories before becoming a hybrid?
Besides, even if they don't have such problems Rei still does, so something isn't fitting into this picture.
It wouldn't really matter. I can give that Rei II has none of Rei I's experiences, but it wouldn't be because of a lack of Dummy Plug.
Even if those memories stayed with Rei I in unit 00's core, there is still a problem with resolving how the soul and memories can be separate if your earlier stance is correct. Unless you have another explanation, of course.
We saw her neck snap. Special powers or not, Rei's in a human body that can die, she's not an Angel like Kaworu. And besides, "souls" are all the same regardless of body. The forbidden union of the Fruits is biological.
We saw her choked at least into unconsciousness but there was no definitive 'snap', visually or otherwise.
Rei clearly isn't completely human (at least by traditional standards), and Kwarou states that they are the same, specifically while discussing their forms.
If souls are all the same, why can angels (including Kwarou and Rei) use their AT fields, the light of the soul, differently than humans?
Is an S2 engine really a physical thing? We never actually see it. Nor do we have the slightest idea what form, if any, the fruit of Lilith takes.