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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:12 pm

prolly get it on with Misato, Asuka, Ritsuko, Maya and GNR :smirk: [/jk]

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Postby AyrYntake » Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:36 pm

Anonymous_Evafan wrote:Except WMD do matter. Everyone not in an Eva would die. There is even a chance if the yield is high enough their ATF's would be pierced. It isn't a battle that could be won.

Uh...yes it is. By this time EVA-01 is pretty much GOD.
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:52 pm

For a God Yui is awfully lazy when it comes to dealing with SEELE. Why do you think that is? She isn't all powerful by any stretch.
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Postby AyrYntake » Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:57 pm

She just hadn't awakened (there was no need, she wanted 3I to happen).
Even SEELE themselves admitted that she was a God ("The creation of a God is not allowed", episode 20 I think)
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Postby Gamer_2k4 » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:03 pm

AyrYntake wrote:
Anonymous_Evafan wrote:Except WMD do matter. Everyone not in an Eva would die. There is even a chance if the yield is high enough their ATF's would be pierced. It isn't a battle that could be won.

Uh...yes it is. By this time EVA-01 is pretty much GOD.


And hey, Yui said that as long as an Eva exists, everything will be fine (or something along those lines...I don't have access to the movie right now).
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:11 pm

AyrYntake wrote:She just hadn't awakened (there was no need, she wanted 3I to happen).
Even SEELE themselves admitted that she was a God ("The creation of a God is not allowed", episode 20 I think)

She supposedly awakened in episode 19 and proceeded to do jack shit to SEELE.
Kaji:
Unit 01's been awakened and set free.
Seele won't stay quiet for this.
Was this also part of your script, Commander Ikari?

FUYUTSUKI:
It's begun, hasn't it?

IKARI:
Yes, it all begins here.

The reason for this is simple, she couldn't beat them. They'd massacre hundreds, thousands, millions, or even billions before they'd let someone cheat them of their dream. That isn't winning. She understood the type of people they are and knew a direct conforntation would only get innocent people killed so she though up a better way to stop them. Something they couldn't see coming to react to.
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Postby PartyHard » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:28 pm

Beginning: If I was his age and been through all the shit that he did, nothing. Would be BLARG IM IN COMA, like Asuka.

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Postby Iron Rooster » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:34 pm

Do stiff redhead in ward.

Then do stiff purple-head in front of elevator.

The do giant blue-head outside. :grin:
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:50 pm

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Postby slothen » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:13 pm

One way or another, Nerv would crumble. Short of destroying unit 01 and Lilith (would that even be possible?), 3I was unavoidable. As far as Shinji goes, I don't think anyone here is in a position to say how they would act when it came down to it. By that I mean, once in the Eva, how they would act regarding Instrumentality.
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Postby The Goose » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:46 pm

Hope. If Shinji had just hoped that his life would get better and fix it, he never would have chosen death.

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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:53 pm

No, SEELE would have done it for him.
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Postby The Goose » Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:30 pm

Must have forgotten. Got to watch it again.

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Postby AyrYntake » Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:23 am

Anonymous_Evafan wrote:The reason for this is simple, she couldn't beat them. They'd massacre hundreds, thousands, millions, or even billions before they'd let someone cheat them of their dream. That isn't winning. She understood the type of people they are and knew a direct conforntation would only get innocent people killed so she though up a better way to stop them. Something they couldn't see coming to react to.

I still disagree with the notion that "she couldn't beat them", but otherwise, yes. She knew that rising against SEELE in full force would just being about more suffering and death, so she decided not to.
Besides, doing things in a subtle way such as this is exactly the sort of idea God would come up with, like the way Jesus didn't come with legions of angels to conquer the world I suppose. A humble victory...
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Postby Anonymous_Evafan » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:09 pm

AyrYntake wrote:I still disagree with the notion that "she couldn't beat them"

She couldn't beat them, only a very bitter tie was possible in a direct battle. SEELE is not a small group and they aren't all in one place. Combine that with them being in control of the UN which controls the vast majority of the worlds military forces and they have an almost unlimited supply of missles to fire at major population centers if she tried. They're the kind that would take the world down with them.
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Postby Ornette » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:38 pm

And they've been running the entire world from the shadows for centuries.

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Postby AyrYntake » Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:41 pm

Right...so remind me why they granted NERV autonomy again?
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Postby Ornette » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:25 pm

They think the head of Nerv is still in their pocket, they have Kaji keeping an eye on him.

Episode 20 wrote:COMMITTEEMAN ?:
This incident is at extreme odds with our script.

COMMITTEEMAN ?:
It will not be easy to correct for this.

COMMITTEEMAN ?:
Were we not mistaken to have entrusted Nerv
to Gendo Ikari in the first place?

KEEL:
But without that man, we could not have
executed all of our plans.
Ikari, what are you thinking?


But their mole didn't deliver...

Episode 20 wrote:COMMITTEEMAN ?:
All this is because we didn't put a bell around Ikari's neck.

COMMITTEEMAN ?:
There is a bell, it just didn't ring.

KEEL:
A bell that doesn't ring serves no purpose.
We'll have the bell take action next time.


And they take action, by sending Karowu to Nerv (lol?)
Episode 24' wrote:KEEL:
Nerv and the Eva series must be in their true forms.
Ikari, you will bear the responsibility of your malfeasance towards Seele.

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Postby AyrYntake » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:29 pm

Right...so SEELE get outwitted by Shinji's dad then. Smart move Gendo...

The whole Ikari family are a real pain in the neck to those SEELE dudes aren't they? Father, mother AND son. They seem to be causing the committee endless amounts of trouble.
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Postby PartyHard » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:46 pm

I suppose they are less than pleased that in the very end things went utterly Not As Planned, because of that meddling kid and his purple robot.
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