Reichu wrote:And even though the ending doesn't actually show Asuka do this, we know that it happened anyway, as you pointed out here.
... if that had been the ending, I might have liked the movie more .
Originally posted on: 13-Nov-2004, 03:16 GMT
Reichu wrote:And even though the ending doesn't actually show Asuka do this, we know that it happened anyway, as you pointed out here.
Oh no, not another one. _ Sheesh! Honestly, Goldarmy, I don't really see how it is even possible to watch NGE, and especially EoE, without picking up on the FACT that Rei's soul (in all three of her incarnations) is that of Lilith; it's the fundamental, essential revelation of the series, in the absence of which the story ceases to make any sense whatsoever... The point is hinted at numerous times in the course of the series, and is patently obvious in EoEReichu wrote:Quote: Originally Posted by Goldarmy (Goldarmy regards the notion that all Rei's souls are of Lillith as absolute crap)
Goldarmy wrote:I disagree, while beneath her colorful and brash appearance lies hollowness insecurity isn't found to be there. Actually not having a single doubt gave a great strength to her shell. When she was forced to confront her hollowness and begin her journey to self-destruction, there wasn't much time for insecurity.
Goldarmy wrote:Even she could appreciate the value of a devoted slave that worships and adores her.
Goldarmy wrote:Sure and Gendo has to stop acting like a jerk and act like a father. And Misato has to stop drinking. And Rei has to interact with more people. And Ranma has to think before he opens his big mouth. And Genma has to use his brains. And...
Goldarmy wrote:No. At best he will just gain a rival that hates him, or push her into suicidal path at worst.
Shin-seiki wrote:This would seem to be an opportune occasion to bring up the other juicy rumor concerning Anno and Yuko Miramura; when the time came to do the voice dub for 'I need you', Miramura-san threw a snit, because she supposedly didn't like Asuka's final line, and refused to perform it as written: "I won't let you kill me, no way!" Anno then suggested that if she didn't like it, she should come up with something herself, and so Miss Miramura responded to that challenge with "Kimochi warui". Supposedly Anno was shocked and taken aback, but let it stand. Thus, Anno didn't write the imfamous final line; she did. MDWigs has suggested that line was perhaps directed more at Anno than it was in character for Asuka. In any case, if Anno had planned on ending with Asuka saying "I won't let you kill me", where does that leave your interpretation that she was defeated and resigned to death? (Also note that in one of the alternate endings, he had Asuka turn up and kick down her grave marker, which doesn't betoken an attitude of resignation either...)
Shin-seiki wrote:it's the fundamental, essential revelation of the series, in the absence of which the story ceases to make any sense whatsoever...
Knives wrote:... Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense . I see it as making more sense. It fixes a lot of inconsistences and is consistent with the message of the series. But I digress.
Reichu wrote:Then share it, and we will merrily gather round like vultures and pick it apart.
Knives wrote:You can try. Hee hee .
Later though. No time still to go into it ... I'll need to make ground rules too ... such as addressing one issue at a time, so I don't have to deal with 10 different questions at once. But that comes later.
Reichu wrote:I've had countless theories systematically disemboweled in the past. Hell, it still happens. With a lot of the "unexplained" parts of NGE, theorization is largely hit-or-miss (but mostly miss), but I suspect that trying to re-explain what is already adequately explained for most of us (Rei-Lilith Kaworu-Adam) will just result in bloody carnage. I can't wait!
Knives wrote:Hey ... you editted your post last second to make it less hostile (I think ).
(I was making a comparison to MDWigs theories and my own understanding, and people around here seem to go into a hissy fit when anyone compares themselves, even in the smallest of ways, to the Almighty MDWigs
I'll just say "adequately explained for most of us" is a rather subjective term when it comes to theories .
Reichu wrote:Granted, I don't think he is infallible; I put up a fit every time his "creation of Rei" theory is dogmatically cited.
MDWigs wrote:Yeah sorry about that "infrequently" bit. I know I said I would be back commenting with a vengeance and I haven't really (or at all) kept my word on that issue. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that I don't get kicked out of this fine country when my visa expires.
Heh I really need to rewrite that up properly at some point too. I never did get around to that.
I know I am not infallible, and the main reason I present my ideas to forums, the reason I am still here, is that I want to gain a better understanding of Eva. It's hard to do that when none of your ideas are challenged. Thankfully they are here!
I will do my best to start posting more. I'll try hard.
Is there a recent thread where arguments against this idea have been discussed?
Reichu wrote:I don't recall Shinji learning anything about Rei except that she was a bunch of clones, and, later, becoming increasingly convinced of her connection to his mother. Shinji doesn't have a damn clue what Lilith is or that Rei has anything to do with her.
Reichu wrote:"Hundred" seems like a bit much...
Reichu wrote:Event in the hospital room? Shinji wasn't fending off any woman's advances. He was masturbating to a comatose one.
Reichu wrote:Quote: Originally Posted by Goldarmy Strong, beatiful, independent, genius with a college degree, skilled pilot of Eva. Not a doll, certainly not a doll.
Reichu wrote:Asuka has far too many negative qualities to make her something worthy of worship.
Reichu wrote:Quote: Originally Posted by Soluzar No doubt, if Shinji had his fondest wish, it would be Kaworu's soul, in Asuka's body!
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:I disagree, if it wasn't there before, seeds of insecurity started to set in from the first battle when having Shinjii in her cockpit was instrumental in winning the battle underwater.
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:I would not call Shinjii a devoted slave, despite his sometimes pathetic disposition in general, with Asuka, Shinjii seems to stick up for himself a lot. He argues back.
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:Asuka would have grown out of it naturally like any 14yr old would.
Aoshi_Shinomori wrote:Quote: Originally Posted by Goldarmy No. At best he will just gain a rival that hates him, or push her into suicidal path at worst.
Shin-seiki wrote:Sheesh! Honestly, Goldarmy, I don't really see how it is even possible to watch NGE, and especially EoE, without picking up on the FACT that Rei's soul (in all three of her incarnations) is that of Lilith; it's the fundamental, essential revelation of the series, in the absence of which the story ceases to make any sense whatsoever... The point is hinted at numerous times in the course of the series, and is patently obvious in EoE
Reichu wrote:Quote: Originally Posted by Mr. Tines Perhaps some self-neglect, maybe some OCD, retreat into some autistic state - any of which would provide reason for medical (including psychiatric) intervention.
Goldarmy, 99% of the audience figured out that Rei's soul = Lilith (once EoE came out, at any rate) without having the RCB spell it out for them...Goldarmy wrote:"To make a theory without having data is a great mistake. People without realising try to adjust facts into theories instead of adjusting theories into facts."
Sherlock Holmes
What I see is people trying to put something that only takes place inside Red Cross book into series and movie. With it's existence the story cease to make sense.
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