Gazdakka Gizbang wrote:The S2 organ is not the core, but the core is the outer casing which houses the S2 organ. Hope everyone understands that by now......
You've been the third person to kindly point this out, but this thread WAS created with the distinction already made...!!!
Now that we have the empty core, I'm pretty sure it is the Entry Plug that fills in this space, as it is positioned in such a way that it could be within the inner section of the core, and that when Zeruel is pounding Unit 01 at his leisure we can see cracks appearing all over the edges of the Entry Plug (freeze frames anybody?). Of course there is probably some empty space within the core, given that the Entry Plug is just a cylinder and cannot possibly occupy the entire space of the spherical core, and once Unit 01 absorbed the S2 organ it grew around the Entry Plug.
Yes, the end of the entry plug goes into the core, if we are talking about "deep" insertion. Sometimes mention is made about entry plug "depth" in the show... Are there times when it remains outside of the core? There is the possibility that it is expelled when EVA-01 goes on her little rampages (see scene 8 of episode #01 in the commentary). I mentioned the dynamic properties of the core that would permit entry plug insertion in an above post.
Considering this genetic determination, the EVAs may have simply been created with these S2 organs in tow, but they were removed once all the flesh, bone and muscle were generated
Apparently not, considering the G-man and the Third Branch were so interested in Shammy's core...
. Perhaps they were implementing a core into Unit 01 as it may not have started off with one. The Angels, being born from Adam, started off with their own cores, and hence Units 00 and 02 would follow likewise.
However Lilith is.....different. We, as offspring of Lilith, do not seem to possess this bulbous crimson sphere on our exterior flesh, and so Unit 01 may not have had an external core either.
Not seen
this thread, I take it? I personally consider the idea that EVA-01 is not derived from Adam to be blatant falsehood, but you can see the gritty details there.
Gehirn and SEELE at that time may have seen it as a disadvantage to their control of Unit 01, as their designs for the Entry Plug would need to be redesigned and refitted to suit Unit 01's internal system
Unless entry plug technology was first developed for use on Adam, EVA-01 would have been the first to possess one they were actually planning to use... I'm sure they were experimenting with the prototypes along the way, though.
(perhaps a heart like everyday humans).
The whole body simply seems to be the container, rather than a desginated area. Although Rei does return to Lilith via the solar plexus region, where a core WOULD be if Lilith had one.
So they decided to transfer or "create" a core as Unit 01's internal system, (like a heart transplant I suppose...), but did not need to reconnect the loose ends simply because there was no need to re-insert an S2 organ.
Well, the core does need to be anchored in the body, otherwise it would just slip out. If you look at closeups in #19 and #20, you can see the flesh of the nuclear region taking root in the core, holding it in place. It's fully integrated in the body.
Now concerning the "artificial-ness" of them. We hear "S2 engine" and "S2 organ" being thrown around over the course of the series. Now I've always been curious over whether they are referring to the same thing...
Both are the same thing in Japanese, S2 kikan. Kikan written one way, 機関. primarily means "engine", and these are the kanji that are used for the show. "Organ" is written 器官. However, the first can ALSO mean "organ", and, considering that it is of an organic nature (if #19 is any indication), this is clearly the more appropriate translation. Some people just sidestep the problem and call it an "S2 Unit", though. :P
OMF wrote:I don't mean atrificial life a pacemaker, or heart "pump", or titanitum hip. I sort of mean artificial like a skin graft. Nerv installed something, some structure perhaps, that caused the eva to grow a core, or accept the material they introduced as part of its own body. I'm thinking core graft here, or possibly a core cultured seperately and then installed.
Well, first and foremost, the cores function is to house the soul. We know that Nerv can manipulate and transfer souls, so perhaps it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination to suppose that they can somehow, create, culture or manufacture an organic Eva core that can house a soul, then install it in the Eva?
It doesn't seem like something that would be possible unless they had something to base it on... What would they have needed to do, taken a swab to the inside of Adam's during the Katsuragi Expedition and let it culture in their lab later? :? If it was not grown as part of a whole, how would they have been able to simply "construct" one...?
I do agree, though, that the conspicuous square-shaped cut deserves some kind of explanation... And my own theory about the lack of S^2s in Evas takes into account some things, but not the fact that they would be so interested in obtaining an intact organ from a fallen Angel.
AchtungAffen's own pet theory for why the S2 is missing is based on the fact that the S^2 is the physical manifestation of the Fruit of Life, which is supposed to be present only in Angels. Now, the Fruit of Knowledge, what Lilim have, has no physical manifestation; it is a quality of the soul alone, suggesting an 'inherent difference' between Lilim and Angel souls, and it is the SOUL which makes an S^2 grow. Ergo, the harpies have them while the other Evas do not because they (in theory) all possess imprints of Adam's soul.
Of course, I disagree with the premise that the harpies possess Adam's soul in any way... First of all, Seele tells us in #24' that "[Adam's] soul exists solely in [Kaworu]", so the harpies clearly couldn't be candidates. Secondly, the ONLY working explanation I have heard for the harpies' suicides is that they were shattering their cores to free their souls and thus join the giant orgy in the sky, and they would not be doing this unless their souls had come from the Black Moon in the first place (thus making them eligible for the process).
That said, it makes one wonder how the harpies got them (unless my little "engineering idea" has any merit), unless the Third Branch was secretly copying Shammy's organ (uh, huh huh huh, I said "organ") before it was shipped to America, and the transferal process had been perfected behind closed doors...
Back to the core problem, here is one little idea of mine. Look at the Simulation Bodies:
There is an array of five beads on the sternum. Have we seen that arrangement anywhere else...?
One possibility is that the beads represent an undeveloped core and the four nucleolae that surround it. A couple of problems:
1) The beads are on the sternum, not in the solar plexus. However, in EoE we do see cores erroneously depicted in the sternal region, so it could just be a similar error.
2) We don't see FIVE nucleolae until EoE, while there are only two the first time we see Sho's core, in #19, and the extra two seem to have just been added to give the core region a vulvic appearance in that one EoE shot. Who the hell really knows, though.
3) EVA-01 is the only Eva known to possess nucleolae in the first place (they certainly are not evident when we see EVA-00 or the harpies). We don't even know why, or what the hell the nucleolae are in the first place, but if my "beads = core and nucleolae" idea holds any merit, perhaps the Simulation Bodies were simply based off EVA-01's genome, or the other Evas do secretly possess them after all. Again, who the hell knows.
The advantage here is that we explain what the hell the arrangement of beads on the Simulation Bodies are, while demonstrating that a "baby" core exists inherently in an Eva.
Now, accepting all this, perhaps what we are seeing in #23' is a process designed to stimulate the growth of the core to a mature size.
That would sit with me better than it being "installed", at any rate.
EDIT 2020/5: Fixed image links.