Aspects from the Rebuild films that you prefer over NGE?

Discussion of the new series of Evangelion movies ( "Evangelion Shin Gekijōban", meaning "Evangelion: New Theatrical Edition"). The final instalment made its debut in Japan on March 8, 2021.

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Aspects from the Rebuild films that you prefer over NGE?

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Postby WunderBah » Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:29 am

In terms of overall narrative, characters, fights, drama, relationships, etc? I realize that NGE is liked more than Rebuild in general, but i felt curious in wondering what sorts of aspects do people actually LIKE better in Rebuild than the original series (heck even EoE just to throw it in there) besides having the bigger budget.

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Postby SEELE » Sun Apr 20, 2014 10:01 am

Mhhh,

that is actually a really good question. I thought about it more than 5 minutes. What happened in NGE was dark, twisted and pretty cruel. At least for the viewer. Evangelion in generel is all about characters and their development.
I can't say that the visuals of the Rebuild are really good. Not to mentioned 3.33 with the CGI effects. But think i kinda liked it (1.11 is more retelling without the hedgehog dilemma) because it gives you fuel for AU-fanfic. For example
Kendrix used it to retelling a AU. We can all agree we wanted Shinji be the "hero" again. We all like him and that is what this series is about (3.33 showed it more cruel). Yeah the visuals are good, the new evas are kinda satisfying
and the non-exsisting plot around Longinus and Cassius are mentioned (not like in eps. 22). The deplacement of some "pretty" music for the End of the World (like Kaworus death in RoE and NGE).
Since Nadia our dear Anno had something special to tell a story and vizualize it. The fights were as good as in the tv show i think. But you are right there is more budget and less blood, sweat and tears.

:freud: :shinchair: That is what we need. And i totally missed the Asuka/Shinji moments from the Tv-show. :|

Edit: Ahhhh, making music with Kaworu ... that is what we missed, mkay.
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sun Apr 20, 2014 12:38 pm

What was better? -- the technology and the budget.
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Postby Dima » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:05 pm

-Animation
-More EVA units
-More characters (not very developed though)

And that's all.
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Postby Guy Nacks » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:12 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:What was better? -- the technology and the budget.


This, so hard, so fucking hard. Like, Chevy Like A Rock-hard. Like, a teenager's boner the first time he watches porn-hard. Diamond-hard.

The only facets of Rebuild that should be commended so far are the animation, the score (if cheesy in certain areas), and their willingness to take a risk with 3.0, even if it resulted in a disappointing film. I'll still watch Jet Alone any of the week over Rebuild.
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Postby robersora » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:45 pm

The Production Values.
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Postby Kendrix » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:46 pm

For me, Rei blocking the slap.

It's one of these aspects that is there in the original, but got overlooked, the defensiveness in her last "I'm not a doll.", but shown in a more obvious way.

Rei showing her on truth so boldly, all things Rei, her so obviously underlined onging for freedom, being told that's she's irreplaceable and how brusquely it was all taken away, oh the tears~~
The sparkling firmness of how Shinji meant to actively do good for once and stood eye to eye with Kaworu, allthough that small light of self-purification that honestly wanted to shine wasn't enough to conquer the dephts of his personal darkness.


Which are also what makes it so sad.

For me, it's all part of the same, big meta- work of Art.
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Postby robersora » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:48 pm

Oh, and the handling of Rei III/Q. I like that you can see her evolution more than in the series.
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Postby Rei IV » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:48 pm

^
I agree.

For me, it's Evangelion Q essentially being episode 24 in movie format. I like the Shinji and Rei relationship and the character herself a bit more in the Rebuild continuity too.

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Postby Kendrix » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:54 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Oh, and the handling of Rei III/Q. I like that you can see her evolution more than in the series.


Personally, I think those Two characters are very different.

Don't get me wrong, it was interesting to see a different character dealing with the same situation, but Rei III was much more 'aware', much more 'taking possesion of her heritage', while ReiQ is much more afraid and confused, and probably would be ironacally Shinji-like, given time... She lacks that 'staightforward' quality, but she's not without wanting to find out.

In a way, Q serves to drive all those vaguel implied horror factors home, of the scaryness of out-of-control EVAS, replaceale artificial soldiers and the pilots being altered, if not possesed by the Evangelions, and the real stakes o what could happen if Shinji made the slightest mistake.

In the original series, they couldn't go so far because they still needed the setting, for whatever Anno once planned to do with it, but now, they already went that path where they preserved it and explored it, so they can follow the destruction to their hearts content, untill our hearts cry and bleed, and gladly at that, at least in my case.

I wish both Rei's all the best, especially mine, allthough I feel sorry for preferring her - it's not any fault of ReiQ's that she is as she is. IT's really jut driving the horror home in a brilliant way, IMHO.
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Postby Giji Shinka » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:00 pm

"Aspects from the Rebuild films that you prefer over NGE?"
Unpopular opinion: Everything.

Though, End of Eva is a whole different story.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:01 pm

Gratuitous Asuka nudity.

Also Gratuitous Misato nudity.

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Postby SEELE » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:03 pm

View Original PostChuckman wrote:Gratuitous Asuka nudity.

Also Gratuitous Misato nudity.

Ladies, always answer the telephone in the bathtub.


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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:15 pm

The cleaner animation is awesome. The original NGE was also a specticle, but as time goes on it unfortunately looks less spectacular compared to the more recent works. I don't consider this a strike against NGE, as it has wonder narrative elements that makes it a timeless work. But the new graphics are really nice.

The music is also wonderful. I still return to the EoE soundtrack often, but getting the London orchestra was awesome.

And NTE's attempt at cutting long takes in Asuka's preparation to test scene in Ha worked out a lot better than the attempt in Episode 15 in NGE, during Misato and Kaji's walk home.

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Postby El Squibbonator » Sun Apr 20, 2014 2:55 pm

The Angel and Eva designs, for one thing. Even the ones in Q. No, ESPECIALLY the ones in Q.
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Postby SEELE » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:05 pm

Now i know something: Rei's smile in 1.11.
It is worth looking the movie.
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Postby Kendrix » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:14 pm

View Original PostEl Squibbonator wrote:The Angel and Eva designs, for one thing. Even the ones in Q. No, ESPECIALLY the ones in Q.


I love how tech is shown to march on.
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Postby Rei IV » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:48 pm

View Original PostEl Squibbonator wrote:The Angel and Eva designs, for one thing. Even the ones in Q. No, ESPECIALLY the ones in Q.

Hell yeah! Zergouki ain't got nothing on Mark.09!

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Postby ElMariachi » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:53 pm

^
Mark.09 is everything EVA-00 dreamed to be. For once a Rei doesn't have to be assigned the shitty prototype, but a kickass super-powerful nigh-unkillable eldritch horror on legs!
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Postby Nuclear Lunchbox » Sun Apr 20, 2014 4:47 pm

View Original PostMr. Tines wrote:What was better? -- the technology and the budget.

QFT, pretty much. Honestly, those are the only things that I can say are objectively better than NGE.


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