gchristnsn wrote:You have Misato's statement which states that angels and people are destined to hate each other. It should be intrinsically true because derived from Kaji's truth.
Which was derived from information obtained from SEELE. Don't forget, Kaji thought the giant in TD was Adam! You don't get to beg the question like this; if SEELE's information is a lie you can't use it to support your claim that their information was a lie!
I show you facts again. It's one of two major Anno's fails because it's very hard to notice this (other is the contradictory way to show how Gendo started the complementation project, and it's also corrected in the Rebuild) Gendo states this in the Rebuild directly.
The NTE doesn't have anything to do with NGE. Please limit your arguments in this context to primary and secondary canon for NGE, leaving the NTE and all associated material out of it.
I shown you that you can not prove not disprove this, there are no sources of this information other than Seele, and Seele's actions contradict to their statements. Can you make conclusions?
I can't even understand what you're saying here. There are too many "not"s here, and you keep fixating on SEELE when they aren't really relevant to the question. If we're talking about the Angels motivations we should be looking at the Angels themselves, not SEELE. And the Angels suggest they
do want Complementation, and that they
are after Adam (the "first mother", as Kaworu put it). Whether or not this would actually result in an Impact event is an open question (one usefully informed by looking at 2I IMO, but that's a separate discussion), but you go to far in your conclusions on the matter.
You have no motivation to disguise Lilith as Adam and move the embryo from the Tokyo-3 if you believe that information about angels from Seele is true.
Of course you do. Gendo wants the Adam embryo so that he can arrange for his version of 3I (which involves the forbidden union of Adam and Lilith, and/or the union of the Fruit of Life and the Fruit of Wisdom in one body). That's an altogether separate matter from the Angels and what would happen were they to meet up with Adam (which is an impossibility during the show, of course) and even less from what would happen were they to meet up with Lilith (which might be just as disastrous).
The fact that SEELE lied about one thing does not mean they lied about everything.
Again, I encountered no people yet who are able to answer questions without contradictions,
All of the questions you've provided so far have been answered fully and completely, with no contradictions in sight. I'm really not sure what you're getting at here.
But you still not resolved contradictions, so your picture at least not complete.
You haven't provided examples of these contradictions. I would suggest you slow down, think carefully about what you want to say, and present a coherent argument instead of making assertions and calling people deluded if they don't agree with you.
gchristnsn wrote:Generally, CI should not contradict anything from the series (or there will be no connection) and you should use only the information available from the series, because it's enough to build a plot without contradictions.
It's true that the CI should only be used if it doesn't contradict information from the show, but it's not true that we should only rely on information from the show. The CI was penned with input from Anno, and is second-tier canon (i.e. it is something we accept as valid so long as it does not introduce obvious contradictions when analyzing the show; to date the only major conflict we've encountered involved SEELE's goals for 3I, but that problem lies beyond the scope of this discussion).
Explanation by the conspiracy does not requires introduction of additional entities, such as above. And there is no need in pilot in either case, it was planned to use original Lilith body, but there was already completed "messiah" which also could be and actually was used (pilot is only significant when there are two "messiah" exist simultaneously, he was actually a controller of Fuyutsuki/Yui's scenario which Gendo actually supposed to be), so this argument is useless.
No, we don't know any of this. None of it is confirmed as true. Many indications in the show suggest that having a pilot for Unit 01 was essential. Remember that SEELE's plan involved a lot of contingencies, and that Yui's and Gendo's plans likely did as well. One part of SEELE's plan involved using the Lance and Lilith, while another involved using the MPEs and Unit 01. It's entirely possible that a pilot was needed in the latter case (if for no other reason than because the soul in Unit 01 might not have cooperated otherwise).
That said, some of us (myself included) lean more heavily on the CI than we probably ought, but even still that doesn't mean the information contained therein should be dismissed. It's helpful for making sense of some of the show's more obscure points.Again, you're making an awful lot of assumptions here without backing them up. You need to slow down and present your arguments more carefully.
And, you still need to provide a credible motivation for Seele's action described above.
Which one? Killing the pilots? We don't even know that order came from SEELE. It's possible SEELE just set the JSSDF loose and the order to kill the pilots was generated internally. Again, SEELE's plan involved lots of moving parts. If the pilot's there, fine. If not, also fine. They didn't care one way or the other (though they probably would have had they known more about Rei and her relationship with Shinji).