You think there's never going to be Asuka/Shinji ?

[SaltyJoe]

User-iel wrote:

So in the end, I still must predict loss of one or two days memory for Asuka (1 or II). Did the prospect of this much memory loss return to hamper her new relationships? Find out in our next exciting episode!

Having her loose her memories would be a great way to throw out some pretty fertile grounds for character developmment and images from a direct mental contact with an Angel (the only one so far). Make her recollections a bit fuzzy, but don't throw it away entirely is the way to go, IMHO.

Sailor Star Dust wrote:

Considering "Goodbye Day Today" has lyrics that talk about meeting again (and always being together)

I'm actually hoping that "being together" will have a more abstract meaning than just getting all WAFF-y/friendly. Like them being pushed into similar situations or mindsets by the plot. Together in misery/joy/anger, rather than together in each others arms.

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Actually, 2.0 already has something to that degree. They both end up in quarantine after a session of "way to deep" Angel core diving. They both reach their respective conclusions because they didn't want to let go of things they held dear (Ayanami and Eva piloting respectively).

BTW, is it possible to give such connotations to the Japanese phrase used in the song?

wonderluster wrote:

I want a Mari X Shinji.

*sigh* Because if someone is a female Eva pilot, she just has to have the hots for Shinji.

Not to mention that, IMHO, Shinji will be too busy getting his soul crushed and having his ego being grinded into a fine powder in 3.0/4.0 to have time to develop new romantic feelings.

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"You smell good. You Smell like LCL."

Speaking of which, i recall that one of Kaworu's names can be translated as "fragrance". I wonder whether that will have any meaning regarding his and Mari's interacion.

Personally, i got the vibes that Mari was turned on by the smell of LCL itself, rather than Shinji. Then again, she does remark at the end of the film that he smells different. As opposed to what? Every other pilot also probably reeks of LCL. Could it be that it is Eva-01 (Yui) that gives Shinji's smell that little bonus?[/off topic]

[Teague]

Welll...it might just be the subs I saw, but I got the impression that Asuka decided to back off in regards to Shinji after the elavator scene with Rei...hence her decision not to go to the party...

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Dont forget that the ''origional' anno pairing'' always was Shinji and Asuka and in EoE the last two left was Shinji and Asuka so to put this in rather blunt and simplistic terms, I certainly wouldn't count this pairing out. Asuka seems more understanding this time round...or at least has been shaped differently by the different events that have unfolded in 2:0 so, if anything there is more chance for the pair of them to get along. This is of course assuming that Shinji and Rei do not spend to much of 3:0's running time tanged in Unit 01.

I belive SSD has said everything else that can be said for the rest of the evidence concerning Shinji and Asuka not being a dead end.

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Having her loose her memories would be a great way to throw out some pretty fertile grounds for character developmment and images from a direct mental contact with an Angel (the only one so far). Make her recollections a bit fuzzy, but don't throw it away entirely is the way to go, IMHO.

The confident ''Asukerish'' smile that she seems to be wearing in the preview says something other than her loosing her memories to be honest. The smile suggests that she is going to be wanting to get back in the action pretty quickly....loosing her memories and getting them back over the course of a single film is a bit much to ask for aswell so i cant see it happening.

The only thing that makes me question Asuka and Shinji is the scene in which Asuka claims that Rei is not recognising her feelings for what they are shortly after the elevator scene. Considering how little Asuka probably knows about Rei's ( possible ) origins, it doesnt particularly hold much substance in terms of forshadowing, of a possible future relationship. I think there is something very important in store for Asuka's character yet.

Oh and Seriously, the whole idea of Mari getting it on with Shinji though....where is the evidence? There isnt a bean of evidence. 'You smell nice, like LCL'' is very obviously referring to Mari's love of piloting and the smell the LCL gives off, NOTHING else.

Having said all this I have to acknowledge the increased Rei/Shinji interaction in this new Film. I'm also not totally against to the idea.

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@trueno-- haha, don't worry, if there's one thing i'm aware of it's that shipping is and will always be subjective. you can still like something despite all arguments against it. i was just bringing the point up for the sake of discussion


@LiLi-- shinji/suzuhara-chan? maaaannn, i bet touji would love that. *sees another "shinji gets beaten up" scene coming*

LiLi wrote:

That didn't stop Misato from sleeping with Kaji again, 8 years later.

true, but they were in a relationship. they were living together. there was definitely love there. it's more probable that eight years later she finally realized that she didn't necessarily love kaji because he was like her father, but despite the fact that he reminded her of her father, and that's... something she can live with.

shinji, on the other hand, has started getting the "mother" feeling before actually going into a relationship with rei. where misato decides to stick with kaji because they definitely had something meaningful somewhere in there, shinji might decide to bolt before love has a chance of really happening.

also, pointing out that "being like your father/mother" is light-year heaps different than "being a clone of your father/mother"... i don't think misato would've come back to that.

of course, you could argue that shinji already loves rei too much to run away from her when he finds out all of her secrets... at this point, everything's kind of up in the air, that's why i said it might not be the same as with K/M. their individual situations are just different, is what i was saying.

LiLi wrote:

Shinji freaked out when he found out about the Army of clones in NGE, but he seemed pretty chummy with GNR in the last part of EoE...

call it a cop-out on my part, but i just don't think GNR counts well, no, i know rei was in there somewhere, and she obviously felt about shinji the way rei III (and II?) felt about shinji if she basically put the fate of the world in his hands, but i can't see how shinji would still be able to see her as "rei." this is a super-powerful supreme being that literally holds everybody's lives in her hands. she's sort of like "mother earth" in a sense-- of course you'd be chummy and comfortable around her... you have to be. but i can't see how he'd be going "oh look, shiny souls... wait, lilith-rei looks hot. she's naked. gawd, i'd do her." hence why, despite their position during instumentality being very suggestive, he didn't look like he was thinking much about it. he seemed pretty focused on how instrumentality felt wrong to him-- not on lilith-rei herself.

and the fact that he was no longer scared of her afterwards does not necessarily mean he loves her or anything. he's just come to grips with the fact that rei is no longer rei, she's something else, something beyond just a girl, something beyond the rei he knew, beyond just a copy of his mother. she's on a whole another level now, past the human bounds of romantic love and/or lust.

am i making any sense here...? *has managed to make herself lost*

basically, EoE ended up ship-less for me. not even S/A, as much as i like it. *shrugs*

LiLi wrote:

this nice girl reminding him of his mom probably has no overtly squicky implications for him

are you kidding? the last thing most teenagers want is to have sex and their mothers mentioned in the same sentence. any normal teenager would've run for the hills the moment the similarities started cutting a little too close. the fact that he's younger than misato, IMHO, makes the chances even worse. it's only because shinji's messed up enough that he may not put too much thought into it that this point even comes up. and that's just because he's... shinji. and this is EVA. like you said, anno's not afraid of "going there," so it's still a possibility. but it has nothing to do with his age, i don't think so.

LiLi wrote:

I was pretty... err, surprised at how epically ship-tastic that Zeruel sequence looked... O.o

no, it actually did look very ship-tastic. actually felt like the epic ending to a very dramatic shoujo series, didn't it? (probably a big part of the reason why i think it won't happen in the end). just saying, the intensity of his feelings in that scene could be an effect of the fact that he'd been unable to do anything for asuka previously. not saying he doesn't care for rei-- he does, obviously-- but how much of that unyielding determination was about rei and how much of it was about himself not wanting to go through anymore loss, it's just something that would have to be expanded upon in the next two films.

the bardiel fight certainly wasn't particularly shippy, no. but that's what i meant-- he hadn't experienced that sort of loss before. with zeruel, he had his natural desperation plus the fact that he'd already lost someone and knew how much that hurt. that's like natural desperation x10000000.


@saltyjoe & user-iel-- don't hit me for being contrary but i think i wouldn't like asuka losing her memories, even with the potential for S/A. kinda feels like cheating.

SaltyJoe wrote:

Like them being pushed into similar situations or mindsets by the plot. Together in misery/joy/anger, rather than together in each others arms.

that's actually the feeling i got from EoE. considering they have sort of a similar background (this is, assuming the whole kyoko backstory even happened in rebuild-verse), i'd say they already have a first step in that direction. i certainly wouldn't mind that kind of ending.


re: mari and her sense of smell-- i definitely felt she was more into the smell of LCL itself than shinji. it would match well with her... special relationship with evas. when she said shinji smelled different in the end, that was definitely about shinji and not LCL, but she also expresses no opinion on whether or not she likes/doesn't like shinji's smell. she just says it's different.


@teague-- that's definitely one possible interpretation, yeah.


@soul fire-- "original anno pairing" isn't a fact. just because they ended up together on that beach in EoE doesn't mean they were together in a romantic sense. in my case, for example, even if i'm a stark S/A supporter, EoE basically made me go "ok, this isn't going to happen." so people can still see it differently, it's not "hard fact."

(geez, am i arguing pro or against here...? i'm a strange person).

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SaltyJoe wrote:

I'm actually hoping that "being together" will have a more abstract meaning than just getting all WAFF-y/friendly. Like them being pushed into similar situations or mindsets by the plot. Together in misery/joy/anger, rather than together in each others arms.

The song specifically mentions being friends forever, so...no.

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carla wrote:

shinji/suzuhara-chan? maaaannn, i bet touji would love that. *sees another "shinji gets beaten up" scene coming*

They could meet in Instrumentality and resolve their angst from episode 1! Suzuhara-chan could tell Shinji personally that she thinks he's a hero, and she doesn't resent him, representing the many he's hurt and the many he's saved by piloting the Eva! :epic pose: Oh, the feeling of forgiveness and acceptance! Oh, the resolution! Oh, imagine Touji having to give away his little sister...

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call it a cop-out on my part, but i just don't think GNR counts

BOOO...

I'd like to note how, despite GNR being a glowing white giant, Shinji recognized Kaworu in it and thus happily let himself be impaled with the LoL... whereas at first when he saw Ayanami he freaked out, but later was chummy chummy with her...

Anyway, my point here isn't whether Shinji had 'romantic' feelings for GNR or not - merely that Anno wasn't afraid to go there, using the sexual imagery to show union. Whether the audience decides to look for interpretations of that scene that make it acceptable to them is a whole different thing, don't you think?

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are you kidding? the last thing most teenagers want is to have sex and their mothers mentioned in the same sentence. any normal teenager would've run for the hills the moment the similarities started cutting a little too close.

I'm simply suggesting that maybe when Shinji thinks of Rei, sex isn't the first thing that comes to his mind... However, in the past I happened on some, err, interesting essays about 'Oedipal' relationships between mothers and sons in Japanese culture... I'm not sure how much grounding in reality they have, but they might be something to take into account.

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no, it actually did look very ship-tastic. actually felt like the epic ending to a very dramatic shoujo series, didn't it?

The last episode of Utena, to be exact...

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re: mari and her sense of smell-- i definitely felt she was more into the smell of LCL itself than shinji.

Agree.

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@Carla

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"original anno pairing"

There was a reason I put that in brackets. I wasnt saying it was a set in stone fact but there was evidence all over the series and EoE to a certain exstent supporting this pairing. The scene at the end of EoE was a powerful image in its own right as well which is why I think it is significant to the conversation. It could have been shinji just on his own or Asuka turned up somewhere else.
It is at least the pairing with the most significance in the series.

Anyhow I think the role Asuka played in the series story was significant and I dont think she is going to be sidelined in the next few films with regards to shinji's development as a character.

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^ Personally, I think in EoE and the TV series you can find evidence of pretty much Shinji x Anyone (Misato, Asuka, Kaworu, Rei...)

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User-iel wrote:

Perhaps because Kensuke might actually represent a competitor in Shinji's "Uke to Asuka" niche. True, she has no substantial view of him as a person, but if her main goal becomes sadistic domination (don't laugh!) for ego status, Kensuke might be the guy. But I don't think he interrupts A/S.

Ah, no I believe you, the Angelic Days manga even ran it’s fingers around that concept, although seeing as how they went through the trouble of setting up parallel backgrounds but highly divergent antagonistic personalities with A/S I don’t think Kensuke could really be set up for the same dynamics
...but now that you’ve mentioned it I really can see Shikanami becoming sadistic or even more unstable than Sohryu was; after all she may see Bardiel incident as her “friends” having abandoned or hurt her (That’s sadly ironic in that she was finally talking about opening herself up to others), and her sense of identity might be compromised if they’ve probably relived her of her job and got her in a lab, never mind what a physical version of an Arael like violation might have done...I really can’t see her interacting happily with her friends now (Shinji especially if the infatuation she might have had plays into a sense of betrayal or abandonment), I think there wouldn’t be any happy motivations in dealing with them again she’d only be satisfied in imposing her supremacy and hurting them back...
I’m sorry if I seem sick in pushing this idea, but I think the background has set it so painful interactions are far more likely than fluff, besides EVA seems to be full of mutually destructive relations.

carla wrote:

huh? in what universe? until kaworu and misato's little speech about humanity being the 18th angel, there was nothing to imply that the angels were anything other than alien beings. that they could read your thoughts and understand human emotions, sure-- but it doesn't necessarily take a human to understand a human.

Nothing in EVA follows its initial appearance, they certainly look like alien monsters at first, and we aren’t directly handed anything that says otherwise, at least until Kaworu comes in, like with Anno’s other dissonance that element was held back till the end, even if Anno had left foreshadowing in that element(he always leaves contextual foreshadowing it seems). During most of the show the viewer and Shinji’s impressions of the angels are just that of generic monsters, that eliminates any immediate moral confusion from killing. Of course the happy/palatable surface is just another one of Anno’s plays and Kaworu serves as the reveal, what we see from him hammers in the point that they were all human even if the seemed different, this is further emphasized in TV25 with Rei’s “as human as me” lines...I’m sure that understanding that hurt Shin-chan hurt him, it meant that he had been hurting others and that’s something he can’t stand, he does whimper about how he hurts others whenever he pilots to Misato on why he doesn’t want to fight.

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i think that's just because, well, kensuke is ignored in most cases. LOL, poor dude's always forgotten. just for that he should get together with asuka, rei or misato in rebuild

Well he is something of a background character and you see even less of his psyche than Touji, and asides from the camp talk he has no consequential interaction asides from comic relief. But it might be interesting to see Kensuke interact with the others, if they round him out some more he might not make a bad character...I wouldn’t want to see him just used to hook up one of the open couples though, there’s even less interaction between him and A/R/M ...I suppose Touji would probably present the most organic relation (S/K can also work by virtue of Kensuke having been Jean in another world)

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BTW, did some posts get moved from this thread, or disappeared or something? 'cause i could've sworn i saw some other replies to this on friday night... hmmm, maybe i just dreamed it...

I think so; we had some very intresting T/S posts...but they had to cut them out since this wasn't an EVAtv T/S thread we really need one... they had so much potential, but not in RoE

carla wrote:

just to try and get back on topic, all this talk about wheelchairs and hooks really made me start thinking about it in a serious context: we know asuka has an eyepatch, do you think she'll come back with any other significant injuries? seems like she should, touji's plug got crushed and he lost a leg-- asuka's plug got chewed up; seems to me she should get about the same if not worse. then again, she does appear to be smirking in the trailer so... should we expect something like EoE, where a lot of people seem convinced that asuka's bandages did not cover any actual injuries? asuka clone, maybe? in which case, even the eyepatch might not matter... and it makes her "forgiving" shinji a little easier if she made it out unscathed. if she does blame him at some point, that is, but knowing her, she probably will.

Um, from the looks of it I don’t think there’s any other sign of skeletal damage(even with her skull, which makes the eye injury suspect) I think it isn’t just going to be a blunt force injury...things about it seem strange, I might just be saying so because I like the contamination idea. But it might be that being possessed by Bardiel somehow screened her from fatal physical trauma...I don’t like the clone idea though, we’d kind of loose the impact if she didn’t remember what happened. [/quote]

Sailor Star Dust wrote:

But if 3I happens, I think it could be cured from that. Just speculation.

That might be, and not just physically, but also in her relation with others, and if something of Bardiel remains it could be distilled in that manner.

wonderluster wrote:

To throw a foot in the door, I think I going to come clean. I want a Mari X Shinji. It would be similar to and Asuka X Shinji but I think Maris a little more energetic and upbeat than Asuka, I mean like Asuka can et really pissed off about something but Mari's more of a screw it who cares kinda girl and that would be an awesome relationship cause Mari could have much better "Make Shinji Awkward" moments.

I just don't see any sign of it so far, they haven't exposited her character enough, or set up interaction with long term potential (In a sick way crushing someone who you love fits that) and she seems more of an observer. Besides Shinji acts awards and whimpers around everybody so if we’re determining pairings by who can make him a better awkward uke then Kaji wins hands down.

To be honest I think RoE so far has a fair amount of similarities with EVATV in that the nature of Shinj’s relation with Asuka and Rei is rather difficult to define, I don’t think friend fits for either of them (family might but then there’s the element of attraction), and it’s important to note that EVA really isn’t any sort of romance story so it shouldn’t follow any linear conventions.

LiLi wrote:

That didn't stop Misato from sleeping with Kaji again, 8 years later. Also, we don't know exactly how long it took for her to decide to quit sleeping with him after she realized...

That's true I don't think a psychological complex or even twincest would really end a relation given what we see in EVA, but then again when have we ever seen Anno set up a happy conventional couple? Kaji/Misato was a secondary relation as far as the show went but even that had a sorry end(that left Misato even more psychologically twisted than she was to start off with), and I think it's even less likely that Anno will move linearly and give us a romance novel with the protagonist...that's why I think this form of R/S can't remain Shinji's happiness lifeline for long.

SaltyJoe wrote:

Sailor Star Dust wrote: Considering "Goodbye Day Today" has lyrics that talk about meeting again (and always being together) I'm actually hoping that "being together" will have a more abstract meaning than just getting all WAFF-y/friendly. Like them being pushed into similar situations or mindsets by the plot. Together in misery/joy/anger, rather than together in each others arms. EDIT: Actually, 2.0 already has something to that degree. They both end up in quarantine after a session of "way to deep" Angel core diving.

Absolutely, I think that they’ve sort of set up all the children with that sort of parallel, they’ve really all been lost to the Angels(I don’t think any of them are going to come back in Q at the same state), and it certainly might be a metaphorical thing...but at the same time I think the nature of Shinji’s involvement in Bardiel means that he’s been set up to meet Asuka again, not that it would be a happy reunion at all (Especially if Asuka takes a page from the Manga’s hospital scene), but they’ve already overlapped in that key sense.

LiLi wrote:

^ Personally, I think in EoE and the TV series you can find evidence of pretty much Shinji x Anyone (Misato, Asuka, Kaworu, Rei...)

In a way...but I'd say they're really echoes in that they touch what Shinji's been cut off from, and as far as the present Shinji is certainly throwing himself at what he still has...Asuka hates that though.

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Personally, I think in EoE and the TV series you can find evidence of pretty much Shinji x Anyone (Misato, Asuka, Kaworu, Rei...)

Yes but as I was saying the Asuka/Shinji relationship had the most emphasis as far as anything romantic and shinji went. None of the other characters actually say they want shinji in that way do they? None of the other characters make advances on Shinji. I dont count the Kaworu shower scene either by the way as I still think the context was completely different.

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I think it's largely a matter of subjective interpretations and perceptions... there's nothing wrong with that, but they just can't be invoked as "objective facts", I think.

Kaworu's scene is interpreted in different ways, so are some of Misato's approaches to Shinji (EoE kiss, hand grabbing after Ayanami's "death")... not to mention Ayanami's "my heart wants to become one with Ikari" from ep. 23.

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Kaworu's scene is interpreted in different ways, so are some of Misato's approaches to Shinji (EoE kiss, hand grabbing after Ayanami's "death")... not to mention Ayanami's "my heart wants to become one with Ikari" from ep. 23.

I think you have drastically misenterpreted the kiss from EoE if you think there was anything other than a desparate attempt by Misato to appeal to Shinji's Boyish Hormones in an attempt to shock him out of his funk. That whole ' We will do the rest when you get back', was obviously an attempt to send Shinji off with a bit of false hope. This would also be why Misato immediately asks her if she has done the right thing.

Also the relationship that Shinji shares with Asuka is the only one where there is at least a small amount of evidence suggesting that both parties are interested in each other. We at least know for certain that Asuka is interested in Shinji and have a good idea that Shinji is interested in her as appose to the guess work we have to work with with regards to the other characters. Now having said this it doesnt mean that if such and such a character got to gether it wouldnt/would work better than Asuka Shinji. Although you would have to be pretty creative with regards to some of the ships mentioned. Other than talking to Rei and getting along with her fairly well later in the series I didnt see much in the way of evidence suggesting Shinji liked Rei in a romantic way. He never tried to kiss her for example and only innitially got involved with her becasue she talked to his father more than him and was the only other pilot there. Theres the kiss that Asuka innitiated in the series and there is the kiss that Shinji almost innitiated in the same series. There is the whole sexual teasing aspect to Asuka character all the time and there is also the whole issue of Asuka being the only one Shinji wanted to talk to at the end in EoE. Additionally, there is his reaction to her death which was much more adverse that his reaction to Rei's death and then there is Asuka's admission that '' if I cant have all of you, I dont want you at all' or something along those lines. There is also the fact that Shinji mastubated over her comatose body in EoE which if anything shows phisical attraction ..which is again something not hinted at in terms of any of the other characters. Of course there is the scene where all 3 of the main gals in the show appear in one of Shinji's HIP mind trips naked but then they are pretty much the only 3 women in Shinji's life at that time. I can go on all day and say that the evidence pointing towards the shinji/Asuka relationship is more numerous and solid. Im not saying it is fact, meerly that in terms of the strength of ships and evidence presented on screen through cinematography and such, the Asuka/Shinji one comes out on top due to the numerous screen time and evidence that is given over to that ship in the series and EoE. It's more obvious to put it bluntly. That doesnt impede peoples preferences of who they ship but in the context of this discussion I think this is a valid point.

Basically Im not saying it is the best ship but rather that it is the most obvious example of out main boy shinji being attracted to the opposite sex. Futher more I also think that this realtionship is important to his character and the story in many ways due to the way the scenes play out in EoE. If Anno still feels that Asuka has a bigger part to play in Shinji's character which I think he does then it wouldnt be fair to write off a possible relationship or at least closer friendship at some point in 3 and 4. You cant have an entire film filled with Mind fuckkery and Third impact naked Reiness after all. People wouldnt sit through it . At some point these characters will have to interact with each other and the fan's in my view already exspect Asuka and Shinji to play major roles.


Of course in the new rebuild films, the balance isnt so clear cut in my mind as there is alot of stuff pointing towards Shinji/Rei. However like I said, Asuka was very instrumental in terms of Shinji's character development in the series and there was a lot more going on between them than other characters so dont rule out Asuka's involvement in his life quite yet.

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Soul Fire wrote:

I think you have drastically misenterpreted the kiss from EoE if you think there was anything other than a desparate attempt by Misato to appeal to Shinji's Boyish Hormones in an attempt to shock him out of his funk.

:sighs: I'm not talking about MY OWN interpretation (I don't subscribe to the PedoMisato school of thought). I'm just saying different people interpret that scene in different ways. You follow me there?

As for Asuka/Shinji, I'd just like to point out I think your observations seem to confuse physical attraction with romantic love quite a bit... but to each his own?

I don't really care.... But why is it so difficult to accept that different people might have different views on the same thing?

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:sighs: I'm not talking about MY OWN interpretation (I don't subscribe to the PedoMisato school of thought) . I'm just saying different people interpret that scene in different ways. You follow me there?

Yup I get you now. My bad, I thought you were saying you also believed this interpretation.

My apologies.

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I don't really care.... But why is it so difficult to accept that different people might have different views on the same thing?

Im not saying people cant have different views and this is after all my opinion. Im saying I think the importance of shinji and Asuka's previous engagements wether you enterpret them as phisical or romantic shouldnt be ruled out. I suppose that if anno is planning on keeping Asuka as an important chracter then it is innevitable that Shinji and Asuka will be interacting.

Hell I like the idea of Rei and Shinji getting together:) so it doesnt bother me either way what happens but Im just trying to point out that Asuka and Shinji's relationship/interaction was pivitol in the last series/EoE so it depends on who anno wants to be pivitol this time around.

If that makes sense.

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[LiLi]

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Wouldn't be half as fun if we all interpreted things the same way, right?

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Mirdautas vras!
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[Soul Fire]

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Wouldn't be half as fun if we all interpreted things the same way, right?

Well it certainly wouldnt be Evangelion for one bloody thing!

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[Great Genius Shinji-Sama]

^ Soulfire

I support pretty much shinjixAny Female or ShinjixHarem for shipping. But that is mostly in part to my teenage hormones even in a 25 year old body.

But to be perfectly realistic I have always believed in ShinjixAsuka because as has alreadt been stated, we have more evidence and suggestion towards them then Shinji anyone else; even if it is just physical attraction but to quote Ritsuko

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"Everybody wants to be wanted, even if it is just physical."

But still ETV and EOE still show more concrete proof(?) that the real ship in EoE is ShinjixAsuka. Everything else is just fnawanking and shipper fantasy.

Not that theres anything wrong with that.

IMO

[LiLi]

^ Insert "IMO" in there and we can have a deal?

Back to Shinji and Asuka: who knows?
But I'm hoping that Director Anno will troll us all something good!
(He did promise a spanking new ending, didn't he?)

:EDIT: Theoretically, Kaworu should be expected to have a "pivotal" role of some kind, given all the foreshadowing? (i.e. I think it's about time it delivers... )

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Mirdautas vras!
(The Summoning)

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[Soul Fire]

I dont particularly care about who is shipped with who. I dont mind if it is Rei or Asuka. As long as it is believable and done well I simply dont care. I would rather see some romantic intereaction between the characters than not as long as it isnt as the exspence of my over all exsperience or is OOC.

Like I said Im not saying that one ship is better than the other just to put down other shippers I'm saying this is what I believe and this is how I think this will affect the next film. it was a pivitol relationship in the series and EoE with regards to Shinji's character and so I think it will still hold alot of significance in Rebuild.

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[Great Genius Shinji-Sama]

Happy ending, maybe????