Why Was the Positron Rifle Never Reused?

[Logan Payne]

That was working together as a team, which they did about as well as a square peg and a round hole in the first isfarael attack.

Misato could either get the two fools to shape up (Mostly Asuka, if you ask me) or go through a huge pain in the ass, and still have the same problem.

[Fast Tony DeNiro]

The point isn't to justify everything, but to determine if something can be justified and, if not, if it's a plothole, an error in judgment, etc. There are several things in NGE that can't be completely justified, and this thread is just to determine if this is one of them.

I just wanted to point out, you have the greatest avatar, probably of all time.

[schismatics]

well israfel was incapacitated for a few days, they easily could have prepared another rifle for that

The probably could've killed him/her without even using the Evas then. Just wire up something to pull the trigger and boom! dead Israfel.

[Axell]

well i guess the true answer is that the plot (almost) never called for its use again

[steve_stevenson]

if a fully charged shot from the positron rifle is enough to penetrate an AT field why couldnt they just rig it to be operated by a person?

I dont think getting enough power would be a problem if they had a week to prepare.

[NAveryW]

if a fully charged shot from the positron rifle is enough to penetrate an AT field why couldnt they just rig it to be operated by a person?

I dont think getting enough power would be a problem if they had a week to prepare.

You do raise a good point: the people who built the positron rifle didn't know it was going to be used by an Evangelion. Why was the trigger so big that no normal person could pull it? Shouldn't they have just installed a small button to push to fire it?

[TheLobe]

I think it was very uncertain that it would work. They used all of japans energy, and they weren't sure it would work.

But it did and it didn't break.

you obviously don't have much experience with technology screwing up. SOmetimes it just randomly stops and starts working again.

[Logan Payne]

if a fully charged shot from the positron rifle is enough to penetrate an AT field why couldnt they just rig it to be operated by a person?

I dont think getting enough power would be a problem if they had a week to prepare.

You do raise a good point: the people who built the positron rifle didn't know it was going to be used by an Evangelion. Why was the trigger so big that no normal person could pull it? Shouldn't they have just installed a small button to push to fire it?

That huge apparatus is probably designed so that it can eventually be an Eva's long barrel rifle. For example when they picked it up in 1.0.

@steve: I hope you're kidding

[TheLobe]

they never state that it wasn't designed for evangelion. Maybe nerv commisioned weapons to be made for the eva. Either that or the created a massive prototype and were planning on downgrading it. Also why do you need an eva to use prog knives and rifles?

[Reichu]

Also why do you need an eva to use prog knives and rifles?

Because they can use their ATFs at the same time.

Of course, real Evas only need the ATFs, but, zomg mecha genre, must have lots of other cool and heavily merchandisable shit in there, too!

[Logan Payne]

Also why do you need an eva to use prog knives and rifles?

Because they can use their ATFs at the same time.

Of course, real Evas only need the ATFs, but, zomg mecha genre, must have lots of other cool and heavily merchandisable shit in there, too!

Also, if you're building a mecha that is bankrupting nations as it is, you might as well throw in some gear in case of emergency...


You know...like...just in case.

[Sammaeloo]

Maybe they could have one stationed on a giant turret inside of NERV as a last resort. Or better yet, attatch one to a satelite and have it store up enough power from solar panels for several months, then keep it stored until it needs to be used.

[TheLobe]

How do the neutralize an AT field when firing a rifle at them. come to think of it, I don't think they ever won using rifles.

[Logan Payne]

How do the neutralize an AT field when firing a rifle at them. come to think of it, I don't think they ever won using rifles.

Episode 6

[TheLobe]

I didn't count ramiel because we were discussing that anyway.

[obama]

wasnt it used against arael?

anyway israfel had two cores so the rifle wouldnt work on him, how boring would the fight be anyway if he was kill with a rifle compared to the epic ballet that took place in that fight.

every other angel moves around a lot, in the ramiel fight it took years to focus on ramiel even though he didnt move.

[Gendo'sPapa]

So much of what takes place in NGE doesn't make sense.

I.E. In Episode 5 there's a giant freaking chalk outline of where Unit 01 fell during it's battle with Shamshel. Why? It seems like an utter waste. Did they really hire some poor guy to make an outline that's larger than a football field. And big waste of chalk is back in 1.0.

[NAveryW]

So much of what takes place in NGE doesn't make sense.

I.E. In Episode 5 there's a giant freaking chalk outline of where Unit 01 fell during it's battle with Shamshel. Why? It seems like an utter waste. Did they really hire some poor guy to make an outline that's larger than a football field. And big waste of chalk is back in 1.0.

I never realized how hilarious that is until now. I feel kind of sorry for the guy who had to trace Unit 01's entire body. Actually, judging by the size, it was probably done by a car-sized machine dumping a large quantity of some unspecified white substance (i.e. paint) on the ground.

[TheWaffleCult]

dumping a large quantity of some unspecified white substance.

Shinji demonstrates this ability at the beginning of End of Evangelion.

The thing I never understood about the positron rifle was its actual purpose. The JSSDF seemed pretty pissed that NERV was taking it; but once it was actually put together and such, it's pretty clearly designed for an Eva. What was the SDF going to do with it, exactly? Strap it on top of a really big tank?

That, and Rei just waltzing in and lifting up the ceiling and grabbing the parts. That was pretty hilarious. As for never using it again... within the story, I'd assume that had to do with internal politics between NERV and the SDF, not to mention the hassle of tapping the entire nation's power every time they fired a shot. That would be absolute murder on power transformers, not to mention the (presumably) already fragile economy.

[trueno_twentyone]

just to remind you, in RoE, you saw how it was set up... and it was damn long and damn expensive, you can't set it up again and again...
and what would be the point of having tha ultimate weapon as described by Ritsuko, if you have a greater weapon than the ultimate...maybe the rifle was damaged in the process and the other rifle used by Rei was a small scale.