Was WWII a Seele Plot?

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Was WWII a Seele Plot?

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Postby Holy Diver » Mon Dec 22, 2008 1:52 pm

I've been reading the Classified Information's Seele section and noticed that it mentioned crushing all opposition during the mid-20th century. I started to think that WWII was engineered by Seele as a way to hasten their rise to power.

Evidence:
1. WWII started around the specified time period.
2. The U.N was formed after WWII. We all know that Seele uses it as its main tool in achiveing it's goals.
3. WWII was the only major conflict that occured during the specified time period.
4. Times of great upheaval are a great opportunity for conducting shady activities.

Theory:
Seele started WWII so that the major world governments would be distracted with war and would not notice a silent takeover. It would also encourage the formation of a unified government that would be a perfect tool for Seele.
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Postby Ornette » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:11 pm

It's plausible. It's plausible that both world wars were a result of Seele's manipulation.

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Postby Reichu » Mon Dec 22, 2008 2:57 pm

So how would the gratuitously Jewish aspects of Seele be reconciled with the Jewish mass-murdering of WWII? Might not be a difficult problem to overcome, but it came to mind.
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Postby Holy Diver » Mon Dec 22, 2008 3:33 pm

Reichu wrote:So how would the gratuitously Jewish aspects of Seele be reconciled with the Jewish mass-murdering of WWII? Might not be a difficult problem to overcome, but it came to mind.


The Holocaust may have been an accident that Seele did not forsee, but it helped to encourage the formation of a global power that could stop such a tragedy from happening again in the future.

Or it could have been an opportunity to get rid of their opponents in Europe. It couldn't have been too hard to fake records that would show that an opponent had Jewish lineage. Said opponent would then be removed from the scene.

Of course many innocent lives were lost, but it would be a small price for Seele to pay.
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Postby AuraTwilight » Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:25 pm

Self-hating Jews, obv.

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Postby Jinroh » Mon Dec 22, 2008 7:37 pm

I'm suspecting a potential godwin.

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Postby UrsusArctos » Mon Dec 22, 2008 8:54 pm

Seele could be doing just about anything out there. I never considered Seele as being very "Jewish", I thought of them as having evolved from a medieval trade organization, like the Hanseatic league. Whatever they're up to and however they influenced world history is anyone's guess, although controlling the world's finances is an easy way to make puppets of everyone.
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Postby Reichu » Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:04 pm

Jinroh wrote:I'm suspecting a potential godwin.

Nazis did the Holocaust.

There, now shut up.

UrsusArctos wrote:I never considered Seele as being very "Jewish"

As in Jewish mysticism -- Kabbalah and so forth. There are implied ties to the Essenes brotherhood, too, possibly the "ancestors" with lofty ambitions spoken of in the CI.
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Postby NemZ » Tue Dec 23, 2008 12:57 pm

Perhaps Jewish persecution was a front for a more specific search for mystical regalia and traditionally secret information?

I think it's more likely that Seele simply used the outcome of the war to empower themselves by becoming interwoven within the developing UN. They 'crushed' the other covert factions vying for large-scale world economic control using this influence and by infiltrating major government-industrial complex factors.
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Postby AuraTwilight » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:59 pm

NemZ's theory confirmed it. They're Jews.

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Postby Holy Diver » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:38 pm

NemZ wrote:I think it's more likely that Seele simply used the outcome of the war to empower themselves by becoming interwoven within the developing UN. They 'crushed' the other covert factions vying for large-scale world economic control using this influence and by infiltrating major government-industrial complex factors.


My theory is that Seele got the war started by putting the right people in the right places, withholding information, and other stereotypical cabalistic activites. After the war began, everyone (not just governments, but other groups such as the Mafia) was distracted with winning the war. Such distraction enabled Seele to manipulate their way into the major world governments, industries, and militaries. Seele was then able to end the war and aid in the formation of the UN and, eventually, dominated it.
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Postby MatrixRefugee » Tue Dec 23, 2008 3:43 pm

Oy! This very idea was going through my mind this morning as I was getting ready for work, mostly because I was trying to calculate Keel's age and figuring out how old he would have been during WWII: If he's ninety during the events of the anime, he would have been born in 1925, which means he would have been a teenager/young man during the war, which gave me the mental image of a much-younger -- and still organically human -- Keel as either a Hitler Youth or as a Waffen-SS cadet. :: Wince::

It's possible some of the Seele members could have been Jewish and hidden in plain sight. I've got a book in my collection, entitled (I think) "The Last Jews in Berlin", which deals with, among other people, a young, blond Jewish man who simply used his "Aryan" looks as camouflage (he did have to find a way to reverse his circumcision, but it was, in his own words, a small price to pay to stay alive and support his family).
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Postby Conrad Gray » Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:22 pm

There is a theory that NGE takes place in an alternate history where the Axis powers won World War II.

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Postby Reichu » Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:35 pm

Note the existence in NGE of Japan's "Self Defense Forces". Since Wikipedia puts it succinctly:

Japan Self-Defense Forces (自衛隊, Jieitai), or JSDF, are the military forces in Japan that were established after the end of the post-World War II American occupation of Japan.

This is indication enough that NGE's version of WWII resolved as it did IRL -- on a "superficial" level, anyway.
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Postby The Imperialist » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:14 pm

Well, SEELE does use the UN as one of their main power bases, so it is quite possible... and the fact that SEELE is supposed to be a quasi-stereotypical behind the scenes secret society which may have risen from the amalgamation of other secret societies.

We see that the JSSDF is very closely linked to the UN. The JSDF was an American creation (well, strictly speaking, the previous organisation, the Police Reserve Unit was an American creation), and the UN is also an American (well, Allied) creation, so therefore, if SEELE could at will, control the military arm of the UN, we can assume that SEELE may have got something to do with the creation of the UN, not necessarily the instigation of WWII, but it must have helped them quite a bit (assuming they were not directly related to the results of WWII)
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Postby TheAyanamiOtaku » Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:46 pm

SEELE could control the military branch of the UN? When did this happen? SEELE controlled the JSSDF during EoE, but I don't remember anything else about SEELE controlling the UN Military Forces. Unless you want to talk about bringing Asuka over from Germany with the UN naval fleet.

Also, I don't think the JSSDF was an American creation...was it?

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Postby The Goose » Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:10 pm

If Seele started WWII, doesn't that mean that, "they," themselves are, in some way, to blame for a small percentage of hatred, non-communication, and pain among people in the world? Thereby, increasing the their idea that instrumenaity needs to happen?

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Postby Conrad Gray » Sat Dec 27, 2008 10:04 pm

I think most rumors are really reaching and overanalytical, but this is fun (the World War II one is on it).

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Postby Reichu » Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:00 am

Conrad Gray wrote:I think most rumors are really reaching and overanalytical, but this is fun (the World War II one is on it).

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So far, I think NemZ is the winrar.

NemZ wrote:I think it's more likely that SEELE simply used the outcome of the war to empower themselves by becoming interwoven within the developing UN. They 'crushed' the other covert factions vying for large-scale world economic control using this influence and by infiltrating major government-industrial complex factors.
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Postby Axell » Sun Dec 28, 2008 2:05 am

this thread reminds me of this


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