Shinji a Misogynist?

[jcmoorehead]

I'd like to think that Kensuke probably does change over the course of time and realizes that him doing that was wrong. The funny thing is for me that's not even the worst thing Kensuke does during the course of the series, him having a go at Shinji when Shinji tries to leave the second time strikes me as really bad. Kensuke basically guilt tripping Shinji and not even making an attempt to understand why Shinji might be upset/leaving at that point.

As for the topic, definitely not. I think it's another case where people are looking a bit too deeply when there is no need to. Shinji has difficulty with people, all the cast do but it doesn't make him a misogynist.

[NemZ]

How is he supposed to know when nobody tells him anything? From Kensuke's perspective Shinji is just turning his back on everyone without the slightest consideration, willfully throwing away their friendship and abandoning his job as the city's protector from unfathomable destruction.

But yeah, that photo business is skeevy as hell.

[jcmoorehead]

How is he supposed to know when nobody tells him anything? From Kensuke's perspective Shinji is just turning his back on everyone without the slightest consideration, willfully throwing away their friendship and abandoning his job as the city's protector from unfathomable destruction.

That is true, I hadn't properly considered that Kensuke might not know anything about what has happened. I kinda went in under the assumption that Kensuke at least knew that Touji was put into Unit 03 and Shinji was forced to fight him.

[pwhodges]

Kensuke manages to hack a fair amount of info, but not everything; this makes it hard to know just what he does or does not know unless the show tells us.

[Bagheera]

Agreed on basically all counts, except Kensuke. I mean sure, the picture-taking was pretty skeevy but at the end of the day, he IS still 14. Everyone does shitty things when they're 14, and one slightly tasteless activity during adolescence shouldn't damn one forever (especially not when the whole sequence took place during the silliest part of the Action Arc and was almost certainly played exclusively for laughs). Pervert? Probably (but again, horny teenager). Woman hater/horrible person? No.

It's not "slightly tasteless activity," it's a criminal act that would get him jail time in the real world. Doesn't make him a misogynist, but it's hardly "no big deal".

[Reichu]

I remember the skeevy screenshot thing being played for laughs in Ranma 1/2 as well, wherein Nabiki Tendo sold photos of her houseguest Ranma's female form to lovestruck Kuno-sempai. Not unlike in Eva, the one taking the photos views the act through a cold money-making lens, and the joke is on those buying such perverse goods. I wonder what the go-to social commentary regarding this trope is in Japan.

[NemZ]

...in both his forms, to any and all suitors. And her sister, on both sides of the transaction. Probably everyone in town of any market value, really. The photos were generally not on the same level of skeevy though, just casual shots around the house and town, nothing anyone in Nerima hasn't seen on a regular basis considering Ranma's typical life. And let's face it, it's not like Ranma had any qualms whatsoever using his curse to an advantage in any situation, including blatantly objectifying himself.

[Squigsquasher]

It's not "slightly tasteless activity," it's a criminal act that would get him jail time in the real world. Doesn't make him a misogynist, but it's hardly "no big deal".

I think you are taking a one-off gag from the silliest part of an already silly arc just a little bit too seriously, Bags. This isn't some momentous point in the series with wide-reaching ramifications, it's a throwaway joke in a whole arc of throwaway jokes.

And again. Horny 14 year old boy. Everyone does inappropriate things when they're fourteen. Including you, I'm sure.

[Bagheera]

I think you are taking a one-off gag from the silliest part of an already silly arc just a little bit too seriously, Bags.

How the show treats it has no bearing on whether or not it's a "slightly tasteless activity". I'm taking issue with your characterization of what Kensuke did, not the show's treatment of the matter. As a point of comparison, we see Asuka kick Shinji in the face multiple times in episode 11. As with the pictures it was clearly played for laughs, but I think we can all agree that kicking people in the face is a big deal in real life. The fact the show treats this as slapstick doesn't change that, and the same is true for the pictures.

And yes, kids do stupid things, but when those stupid things are crimes they're held accountable. Some stupidity is far worse than others, as those shitheads in Chicago are learning right now.

[Squigsquasher]

The show's overarching story concerns a shadow world government comprised of 12 people manipulating events and staging the death of half the population in order to fund the development of superweapons designed ultimately to murder all of mankind, and you're worried about how a teenager in it took some peeping tom photographs and how that's illegal.

Top kek m8.
(Also what the flying fuck do the events in Chicago have to do with Evangelion?)

[Bagheera]

The show's overarching story concerns a shadow world government comprised of 12 people manipulating events and staging the death of half the population in order to fund the development of superweapons designed ultimately to murder all of mankind, and you're worried about how a teenager in it took some peeping tom photographs and how that's illegal.

Hey, you're worried about whether or not the protag is a misogynist, so who are you to criticize?

[Squigsquasher]

Hey, you're worried about whether or not the protag is a misogynist, so who are you to criticize?

Worried? No. Baffled as to who the fuck has the time, effort and inclination to seriously draw up a theory as to why a fictional character is a "misogynist" (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary)? Yeah, sure, why not. It's pretty pathetic, really. Not unlike, you know, comparing a fictional character taking skeevy photos to kidnapping and torturing an innocent man for his political views.

[Bagheera]

Worried? No. Baffled as to who the fuck has the time, effort and inclination to seriously draw up a theory as to why a fictional character is a "misogynist" (despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary)? Yeah, sure, why not. It's pretty pathetic, really. Not unlike, you know, comparing a fictional character taking skeevy photos to kidnapping and torturing an innocent man for his political views.

You're being a hypocrite, dude.

[Squigsquasher]

You're being a hypocrite, dude.

The sheer irony of this post coming from YOU of all people is just classic.

But please, continue to lecture me, you big strong policeman.

[Reichu]

Temp-locking to curb back-and-forth and allow staff evaluation.