if Kaworu DID make contact with Lilith

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Postby Mongoosedog » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:51 pm

if you say angels have no free will because they seem to strive mindlessly for the same goal you could also say that Gendo had no free will because all he wanted to do was kill the angels and start 3I
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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:25 pm

Mongoosedog wrote:if you say angels have no free will because they seem to strive mindlessly for the same goal you could also say that Gendo had no free will because all he wanted to do was kill the angels and start 3I


I could say that but its not true, hes Lilim.
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Postby Mongoosedog » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:19 pm

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Mongoosedog wrote:if you say angels have no free will because they seem to strive mindlessly for the same goal you could also say that Gendo had no free will because all he wanted to do was kill the angels and start 3I


I could say that but its not true, hes Lilim.


i don't consider it a matter of race. my point is i don't think actions motivated by dedication to a single goal determines whether someone has free will or not. or at least it doesn't prove that they have no free will
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Postby child of Lilith » Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:28 pm

I couldn’t agree more.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:47 am

Look, maybe you are right. We could argue this back and forth all day and never come to a conclusion.

Maybe they do have a sort of Free Will but Kaworu being the Angel of "Free Will" possibly only cause of its Lilim body, nothing more is the only one with it but we do not know. I only believe they don't cause of how they react from the second they awaken.
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Postby Legendary » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:37 am

I think that when you consider what happens in the series, and look at the 24 drafts as a supplement, the picture is clear: Angels will ultimately succumb to the urges to return. From 24 DC:

Kaworu Nagisa wrote:Now, erase me from this world.
If you don't, you will be the ones who are erased.

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:40 am

Legendary wrote:I think that when you consider what happens in the series, and look at the 24 drafts as a supplement, the picture is clear: Angels will ultimately succumb to the urges to return. From 24 DC:

Kaworu Nagisa wrote:Now, erase me from this world.
If you don't, you will be the ones who are erased.


Maybe, maybe they do have "free will" but are still forced to hunt for mother.
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Postby Ornette » Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:17 pm

Otakon 08 Ikari wrote:Maybe they do have a sort of Free Will but Kaworu being the Angel of "Free Will" possibly only cause of its Lilim body, nothing more is the only one with it but we do not know. I only believe they don't cause of how they react from the second they awaken.

It's already been mentioned again and again, but not all the Angels are after Adam and Kaworu being the Angel of Free Will (Tabris) is extracanonical, it's never mentioned within the show itself.

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Postby supershinjiasukashipper » Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:42 pm

im guessing another question would be, how would a lilith related impact differ from an adam related impact?
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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:55 pm

shinjidoggysasuka wrote:im guessing another question would be, how would a lilith related impact differ from an adam related impact?


We believe that Adam landed on Earth very easily and without a large impact. Lilith came to Earth with great force and smacked into the Earth.
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Postby supershinjiasukashipper » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:00 pm

Otakon 08 Ikari wrote:
shinjidoggysasuka wrote:im guessing another question would be, how would a lilith related impact differ from an adam related impact?


We believe that Adam landed on Earth very easily and without a large impact. Lilith came to Earth with great force and smacked into the Earth.

interesting point, but your taking the term impact too litterally, lilith exploded, she didn't hit the earth. it was an explosion of energy. when Rei fused with lilith, her second energy blast was corrosive to the ego barriers of all mankind. but would a fusion of an angel with adam instead of lilith broken not just spiritual ego barriers, but molecular bonds themselves causing even the planet to return to nothing?

think about it. :kawaii:
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