The most disturbing moment in Evangelion
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For me from NGE its GNR, from its initial black sclera and tiny red eyes to the final shot of its giant decapitated head on the horizon, the whole thing is unnerving and creepy. From NTE it's Gendos' Rei head collection, i mean just why did he keep em?
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Nor did I claim you did.
2. Lilin turning out to be Angels All Along in NGE, thereby nullifying any objections you're making on the grounds of that word anyway.
"Mixed continuity error": we have not been told that in NTE, and I don't think Ritsuko tells us about the similarity between angel and human DNA either. (We're talking about Asuka in NTE.)
I feel the only reasonable conclusion to arrive upon (when every last hint intentionally placed in the films isn't rationalized away) is that Asuka is something NO LONGER LILIN. I used the word "transhuman". The movies haven't pulled out an exact term yet, but whenever they do you're going to have to live with it, so might as well get your body ready in advance.
I prefer to think she's still basically lilin, but modified; but obviously I'll roll with whatever we're told in the next film.
Super-human qualities have never, in any way whatsoever, prevented audiences from relating to characters -- demigods, for instance, have been absurdly popular for millennia -- so it seems a whole lot of ado about absolutely nothing. You're claiming there's a problem where none exists.
Fair enough - but I personally find such characters less relatable the further from normality they stray, though that varies very much according to how it's done.
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Re: The most disturbing moment in Evangelion
pwhodges wrote:I've always taken it that plug depth is related to synchronisation rate. The effects of excessive synch rate in the series (Shinji reaches 400% when he is absorbed into the Eva) are similar to excessive plug depth in Ha (Shinji gets absorbed at the end of the film). I believe that what we know is not sufficient to make a clear distinction, and I suspect that the wiki articles are a bit more prescriptive than is wise in this case: synchronisation; plug depth.
I can't tell by how you worded things if you're arguing that plug depth isn't related to how deep the pilot's seat is within the plug or not, but in case you are, you can clearly see this is the case in this picture I made comparing two shots of it in Rebuild. I know Rebuild introduced a lot of new things to the series, but you can also see the same "track" that the pilot's seat/control console can move up or down along in shots inside the plug in the TV series. I used to think it meant something more abstract related to synch ratio too, but it's clear it's being a bit more literal than that.
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Actually, the meaning in Rebuild does seem to be simply physical, I now acknowledge. The image below from Ha makes it explicit by labelling the levels. What is not explained, of course, is why they manufactured the ability to go beyond a safe depth...
You mention the series; but your images are from Jo. Do you have anything that makes it clear that this meaning is present in the series?
You mention the series; but your images are from Jo. Do you have anything that makes it clear that this meaning is present in the series?
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I would honestly say the moment where Unit 02 is torn apart by the Eva Series was what comes to mind. The idea of Asuka sharing it's pain and essentially feeling herself be disemboweled always makes me squirm a little.
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Probably that scene in eoe where it quickly flashes Asuka's rotting corpse.
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In the series proper, I would say when Unit 01 is controlled by the Dummy Plug to destroy Unit 03/Bardiel. What makes it worse is Shinji's desperate screams to make it all just stop. It's decently up there with intense it is, plus how disturbing the visuals are with the implications involved regarding Toji being inside and Shinji being forced to watch helpless as it happens. In fact, I was more shaken by this than Asuka's mind rape or Rei II's death.
In EoE, well damn, what isn't disturbing???
I'd probably suggest that the deformed hermaphrodite MPEs is up there...Granted, there's also the squeaky hospital scene...So I guess it's a tie between those two.
In the Rebuild movies...It goes back to Toji again..This time with his shirt.. That's such a subtle moment in 3.33, but it's as creepy as it is effective in its implications. (Granted there's a lot of surreal/disturbing images in 3.33, but this sticks out to me).
In EoE, well damn, what isn't disturbing???
I'd probably suggest that the deformed hermaphrodite MPEs is up there...Granted, there's also the squeaky hospital scene...So I guess it's a tie between those two.
In the Rebuild movies...It goes back to Toji again..This time with his shirt.. That's such a subtle moment in 3.33, but it's as creepy as it is effective in its implications. (Granted there's a lot of surreal/disturbing images in 3.33, but this sticks out to me).
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SawItAtAge10 wrote:In EoE, well damn, what isn't disturbing???
Almost nothing. Except, of course, for the very concept of Giant Naked Rei of the size of a planet. When I first learned about it, my impulse was utter rejection, as that meant, for me, that there is something very wrong with the NGE world at its ontological level.
Also, learning about the ultimate Yui's goal was pretty much disturbing - at least for someone who was raised Catholic - since the whole sequence of Unit 01 floating away transmits the sore message that there is no God in or above the universe - only the endless silence of the space - and thus our whole existence is a futile nonsense.
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I would say on a purely psychological level, Yui's decision to mould Shinji into being the lynchpin for her plan from the beginning and how coolly she acted around carrying the whole thing out is pretty damn disturbing. It sure is something for a parent to decide to traumatize their child by faking their death right in front of them for the Greater Good.
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Ikr? Not enough credence is given to the idea that she's actually kind of a bitch. Not only that, but her good mother routine that she puts on for Fiyutski is more or less a facade. In that way, she plays with his emotions in the same way she does Gendo to get what she wants: infinite knowledge and the eternal life necessary to seek it out, Shinji and the Earth be damned.
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Bhorium wrote:I would say on a purely psychological level, Yui's decision to mould Shinji into being the lynchpin for her plan from the beginning and how coolly she acted around carrying the whole thing out is pretty damn disturbing. It sure is something for parent to decide to traumatize your child by faking your death right in front of them for the Greater Good.
SawItAtAge10 wrote:Ikr? Not enough credence is given to the idea that she's actually kind of a bitch. Not only that, but her good mother routine that she puts on for Fiyutski is more or less a facade. In that way, she plays with his emotions in the same way she does Gendo to get what she wants: infinite knowledge and the eternal life necessary to seek it out, Shinji and the Earth be damned.
You guys are on point, have you been reading my mind?
To add to that, that's why Yui really wanted Shinji to be at her activation test, she knew what was going to happen and the guilt Shinji would feel not being to save her, also why Gendo made Rei with her DNA.
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I couldn't agree more. Further, I think she fits the "Self as Scientist" conceit the most compared to Kyoko or Rei I. (Where Kyoko would be "Self as Mother" and Rei I/II + III would be "Self as Woman").
As triptych, it aligns fairy well with the Evas and what each resident should would symbolize.
As triptych, it aligns fairy well with the Evas and what each resident should would symbolize.
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That's an interesting idea. Yui is definitely very creepy. I wouldn't call her evil, but I'd definitely say she's egocentric to the point of sociopathy. Also, Gendou wouldn't be who he is without her actions - in the end it's the cycle of violence, Gendou was broken by Yui's actions. Which is why I'd really have loved to see one scene seeing them interact while their relationship blossomed. Why Gendou, of all people, Yui?
That's an interesting idea. Yui is definitely very creepy. I wouldn't call her evil, but I'd definitely say she's egocentric to the point of sociopathy. Also, Gendou wouldn't be who he is without her actions - in the end it's the cycle of violence, Gendou was broken by Yui's actions. Which is why I'd really have loved to see one scene seeing them interact while their relationship blossomed. Why Gendou, of all people, Yui?
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Aside from the obvious hospital scene that I still have nightmares about
Here's a real interesting one. The scene in episode 26('?) where Shinji, Asuka, and Rei are living in a non-eva world super freaked me out. It wasn't necessarily disturbing, but it sure was the biggest WTF moment for me. That and having the camera flipped back around onto the theater during the End of Eva in the live action portion. Holy shit what creativity.
Here's a real interesting one. The scene in episode 26('?) where Shinji, Asuka, and Rei are living in a non-eva world super freaked me out. It wasn't necessarily disturbing, but it sure was the biggest WTF moment for me. That and having the camera flipped back around onto the theater during the End of Eva in the live action portion. Holy shit what creativity.
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For me personally, it's the entirety of EoE and any time in the series Asuka is pissed off, other than that, nothing.
Yeah, basic, I know. But I just look at the show with the fascination with of its "disturbing moments" rather than having myself perceive them as "scary."
Yeah, basic, I know. But I just look at the show with the fascination with of its "disturbing moments" rather than having myself perceive them as "scary."
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