Asuka vs. Shinji Fist Fight: Who Wins?

[Bagheera]

1. I'm not going strictly by the Show's events, all that I'm assuming is that; he has the same backstory, he's fighting 17 angels in all, and certain mitigators that kept him from collapsing before are not present, or at least aren't fully there after Asuka arrives.

Wait, what? If you're going to ignore the show's events the entire premise changes. You're effectively saying "this character could totally get into a fistfight if he were a different character!" That's of course true, but it's also effectively meaningless for the purposes of this discussion.

2. I'm not assuming this could only happen after all 17 angels are dead. I' am not assuming this takes place after 3I.

That's the only time it could take place, though, since we know it didn't happen over the course of the series.

If these are the assumptions you're working with we really have nothing to talk about here.

[Warren Peace]

Shinji makes no move to strike back against Touji; and even when later given a free shot to even things out, punches like a girl. In EoE he spends a lot of the time whining about not wanting to hurt people while being shot at.

He is not that autistic kid who turns into a kicking scratching biting ball of hurt when pushed too far -- far from it. Instead his transformation is into a doormat.

But what's different about this dynamic is that they're basically in agreement -- Touji isn't pushing Shinji at all. Shinji thinks he deserves it. Even the "free shot" is pretty much a favor to make Touji feel better. Shinji has no reason to become enraged.

In EOE, when Shinji says he doesn't want to hurt people, I wonder if he's at least partially referring back to his threat to destroy headquarters. Later on he knows that was foolish, of course -- but at the time he was willing to do it. Leaving Nerv wasn't just about his father's betrayal, but an admission that he's capable of doing something reckless when his blood is up. Maybe someone like that shouldn't be piloting, he reasons. Maybe he's right... in EoE, he decides EVERYONE should die because Asuka pisses him off. I'd call that evidence that she can drive him to impulsive decisions.

[Alaska Slim]

Wait, what? If you're going to ignore the show's events the entire premise changes. You're effectively saying "this character could totally get into a fistfight if he were a different character!"

I think I might have been unclear, I'm not ignoring Shinji as he acts in the series, I'm basing my scenario on that in fact. What I' am doing is mix and matching certain character actions and events as they occurred between the battles. I'm asking myself "What if Misato was killed or re-assigned?" or "What if Touji and Kensuke weren't there to crawl into the cockpit, or what if Touji simply lost his house in that battle instead and moved away?"

Shinji is only as different in my scenario as he is from one moment in the series, to another.

I'm not calling upon a state we've never seen him in, we've seen him in it. I'm postulating on what it would take to see something like that from him before Pre-3I.

And the answer is, it's the same as what he lost leading up to 3I, his support system.

You yourself agreed his killing of Kawrou only accelerated his decay, he was already doomed to it.

Thus, if he lost his support system earlier, was exposed to the pressure of his job unfiltered by friends, Kaji or Misato, and was at some point forced to verbally defend himself, I'm saying he would break much the same as he did in Pre-3I.

That's the only time it could take place, though, since we know it didn't happen over the course of the series.

It happened in EoE, and similar desperate acts of a lesser emotional caliber occurred within the series. It's a part of his nature, it's far shorter-lived than the times he's being passive and apathetic, but it's still there.

[Vegeta 20XX]

Asuka's about to give him the beating of a lifetime, when it dawns on her that he's utterly at her mercy. She chooses discretion over valor, takes him to her room, and has her way with him. Shinji, being the obedient lad that he is, takes it like a man. Everybody wins!

Or, I win, having an advantage in weight, height, and distaste for the lot of them. Besides, five years of running, biking, and the like have endowed me with superhuman kicking power - I'm not even lying about that.

On the other hand, I have an intense fear of serious injury in a fight, and probably wouldn't intervene in such a situation because of my pacifist/total pussy nature.

Seriously, though, it's more than likely that it'll end in a stalemate, while Asuka has the advantage of actually fighting, Shinji can snap if put into a situation where he has no other choice, evening the odds if necessary. I can't foresee a clear winner, however.

[Asami Sato]

Asuka beats the brains out of Shinji, no sweat.

[Grimmjow]

Their fight would go like this.

[chaosakita]

Does Shinji even know how to fist-fight?

[Der Kommissar]

Does Shinji even know how to fist-fight?

Doubtful.

Honestly, my money's on Asuka simply because she's more aggressive as a rule and seems to be more 'okay' with escalating violence than Shinji. If I remember right, she has a couple of inches on Shinji, and with their respective ages being merely fourteen and Shinji being waifish by default, being of the male persuasion offers him no advantage.

Though if Shinji were to hit first, he might win. I honestly don't think Asuka expects anyone to ever bite her back. Not that beating up a fourteen-year-old girl is a particularly laudable or impressive feat.

[bigbadtyrant]

Of course Asuka wins, no contest. In fact i wouldn't bet money on it because it would just be sad.

[Vegeta 20XX]

Though if Shinji were to hit first, he might win. I honestly don't think Asuka expects anyone to ever bite her back. Not that beating up a fourteen-year-old girl is a particularly laudable or impressive feat.

Unless you take in to account that Shinji has no real advantage in either musculature or strength. It's entirely different than, say, Touji doing the same, in which it's an unfair fight.

[Der Kommissar]

I allow for that possibility purely on the basis of surprise. Life isn't an action movie - hit someone on the jaw the right way once and they'll go down.

Or get your hands around their throat, as it seems to be for Shinji.

[Jadley]

I still wonder what kind of action would Shinji take if Asuka were to push him, like insult his dead mother and tell him the that his father doesn't love him.

he'd probably choke her, fail and masturbate. WAY TO GO CHAMP.


"Cough- Anno sick son of a b** Cough-"

[Fireball]

Forget Shinji. How about good ol' red vs blue?

[Bagheera]

Forget Shinji. How about good ol' red vs blue?

Still Red. Rei would only fight if she was ordered to, and even then she doesn't appear to be very good at it (though in fairness Asuka doesn't either, at least outside of Eva).

Though again, I have to question how it would happen; we never saw it in the show, despite the animosity between the two, so I'm hard-pressed to imagine a scenario where it might occur.

[Dream]

Though again, I have to question how it would happen; we never saw it in the show, despite the animosity between the two, so I'm hard-pressed to imagine a scenario where it might occur.

It seemed to have been pretty close to happening in Episode 16, so i imagine that some sort of event (Likely Angel related) That brings their differences to light could stimulate a fight.

[Bagheera]

That's just it, though: if it were going to happen that'd be the natural place for it. Since we didn't see it . . .

[arkiel]

A physically-fit girl vs. an athletically-indifferent boy? That sounds like an even match. Shinji would lose though, he just doesn't have the will for it. Asuka just has more rage/pride in her. If you caught her between 15th and 16th Angel, she actually might kill him.

Manga!Asuka apparently knows kung-fu, so it probably wouldn't be much of a match there.

[bobbyfischer's ghost]

In a normal senario Asuka would win hands down.

[Great Genius Shinji-Sama]

Asuka. She has military training, a backbone and anger management issues. Shinji is too passive and wouldn't even fight back likely. Pre-Instrumentality and EoE scenes not withstanding since that was Shinji pushed beyond all limits. I mean Asuka would have to kill Misato and Rei, break his SDAT and cello, piss on Yui's grave and call her a whore in front of him to get him to the point we see in EoE otherwise.

[bobbyfischer's ghost]

^ your talking about manga Asuka when pertaining to the military training right?