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Postby Sachi » Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:50 am

This looks good! Got my hype up.

View Original PostRay wrote:look I just want this movie to fail just because if it succeeds it'll screw Asian actors and live-action adaptations of anime for decades to come.

I disagree that this will happen, like at all. Do you have any proof beyond conjecture? First, as has been pointed out, almost everybody except for the Major and Batou are Asian; I guarantee you this film is an opportunity for them, and you're hoping for them to fail, all because they made the Major white (whoopdy doo). If it's a good movie, how would it hurt anime adaptations? I don't see how it'd be anything but a good thing for anime adaptations if this film does well.

Also, if you're just going to come in here to talk negative about things other people are excited for, what's the point? It's like posting the new Star Wars trailer in the SW thread and being like "yup, still shit! You guys should feel bad for wanting this!" I'm not saying you should keep your opposing opinion to yourself, but surely you see the futility in this all, right?
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Postby robersora » Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:14 am

This looks better than I expected! I'm especially pleased by the atmosphere of the teasers. Not at all loud and stereotypical action-y, but silent and contemplative.
Those teasers definitely got my hopes up.
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Postby Ray » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:00 am

First, as has been pointed out, almost everybody except for the Major and Batou are Asian; I guarantee you this film is an opportunity for them, and you're hoping for them to fail, all because they made the Major white (whoopdy doo).


That's right boys and girls! Asians will be where they've always been in Hollywood movies! In the background! Or as a dumb sidekick to the competent westerner! No lead role for you! American audiences can't POSSIBLY understand what human beings that look different from them feel!

LEAD ROLES are what matter. Things aren't getting better for Asian actors (and other minorities lets be honest) fast enough. No lead roles in any American production, let alone a tentpole release like GITS where it would have made perfect sense given the setting, the creator, the themes etc.

If it's a good movie, how would it hurt anime adaptations? I don't see how it'd be anything but a good thing for anime adaptations if this film does well.


As I said on the Whitewashing thread. Hollywood always takes the wrong messages away from it's box office successes.

Look, I'm not saying you can't make a profitable movie based on a Formula. The PROBLEM is that the math isn't really there yet, so Hollywood Opts to use stupid formulas to try to achieve profitable results.

For instance, if a movie based off of a popular young adult novel (Hunger Games, Harry Potter), is popular enough to make a billion dollar blockbuster franchise off of. It must mean EVERY popular young adult novel can potentially make a billion dollar franchise. So the Studio's greenlit dozens of them, and most were terrible, Divergent and Maze Runner fizzled at the Box Office. Proving that formula wrong. People didn't want Young Adult Novel movies, they wanted Harry Potter and Hunger Games movies.

If this GITS movie is a success. Studio executives will see this movie's success and think 'We can whitewash Japanese-based properties and STILL MAKE A PROFIT?". They'll see a formula to exploit, they'll Greenlight EVERY Anime movie that's been in development hell since the early 2000's and a side effect of that will be Asian actors being screwed over more than they are now.

I recommend you check this article railing against Hollywood's exploitation of Formulaic storytelling.

http://www.the-fanboy-perspective.com/a ... aking.html

surely you see the futility in this all, right?


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Postby Sachi » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:10 am

View Original PostRay wrote:If this GITS movie is a success. Studio executives will see this movie's success and think 'We can whitewash Japanese-based properties and STILL MAKE A PROFIT?"

Is this really what you think their thought process is? Like, really???
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Postby Ray » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:12 am

Obviously hyperbole. But the point still stands.

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Postby Sachi » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:22 am

View Original PostRay wrote:Obviously hyperbole. But the point still stands.

From my perspective, this is the first Hollywood anime adaptation that actually has made an effort to get the source material right, despite ScarJo being white; the tone/atmosphere in these new teasers is perfect. If this movie succeeds, I feel as though it'll show studios that fans appreciate when film adaptations pay respect to the original material (such as with Star Wars: TFA, Mad Max: Fury Road, Tron: Legacy, and a bunch of the MCU movies), as opposed to other, poorly received anime adaptations such as Avatar and Dragonball, which both significantly altered the source material, almost to the point of being unrecognizable. GitS seems like a step in the right direction, despite not being perfect in all regards.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:23 am

Ray, if the live-action GitS fails, it'll also screw Asian American actors, as Hollywood won't even have a passing interest in their stories anymore. If GitS succeeds, it'll at least gain more interest in those stories, and possibly even raise interest the demographic surrounding those stories.

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Postby Rosenakahara » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:54 am

GiTS ended after Solid State Society, also its an anime live action movie, its going to be shit regardless.
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Postby cyharding » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:44 am

I originally posted this in the whitewashing thread, but I feel that it should be included in this thread as well as I believe it does negate some of Ray's arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DhoBuU1Dtc

And while I admit that the movie could bomb on its artistic merits, the film's success could also get people to seek out the original manga (I bet executives at Kodansha are counting on this) and the various anime adaptions, which could lead to seeking out various other anime and maga properties. We'll just have to wait until the movie comes out.
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Postby Glor » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:18 am

Pretty hyped. It seems like they worked pretty hard to nail the look of it. Instantly had flashbacks of Blade Runner. Me gusta.

Rosenakahara wrote:GiTS ended after Solid State Society, also its an anime live action movie, its going to be shit regardless.


Even if it isn't 'great', I'm confident it won't turn out to be oh-fucking-god-this-is-terrible-please-kill-me like Deathnote and Attack on Titan.
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:55 pm

On the TV Spots themselves, that's one heck of a marketing gimmick. I kinda like it, actually. It has a strong and memorable visual style with the digital distortions, and keeping the logo the same certainly helps market retainability. That's some pretty strong stuff.

I'm still not sure of the movie will be any good, though. Guess will have to wait and see.

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Postby KnightmareX13 » Thu Sep 22, 2016 4:09 pm

View Original PostFreakyFilmFan4ever wrote:On the TV Spots themselves, that's one heck of a marketing gimmick. I kinda like it, actually. It has a strong and memorable visual style with the digital distortions, and keeping the logo the same certainly helps market retainability. That's some pretty strong stuff.

I'm still not sure of the movie will be any good, though. Guess will have to wait and see.

I would have to agree. Visuals were good but besides that nothing really much to go on.
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Postby Ray » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:13 am

One more thing.

whitewashed or otherwise if we must have a live action Ghost in the Shell, then it needs to be R. if it isn't then it'll probably suck.

Ghost in the Shell has a lot of nudity, and violence in it. you can get away with some more explicit content in animation then you would in live action.

I highly doubt Scarlett Johansson will go full frontal.

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Postby Sachi » Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:25 am

Yes, because tits are essential to Ghost in the Shell. :| Even if you want to make a case that the natural human body is a symbol in GitS, there are plenty of ways to get away with that in a PG-13 setting.

It's really becoming clear that you're looking for reasons to dislike this movie that hasn't come out yet.
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Postby robersora » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:45 am

^
He clearly stated, that he'll hate the movie no matter what. I'm kinda baffled anyone's still interested in arguing with him about this topic.
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Postby Rosenakahara » Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:04 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:One more thing.

whitewashed or otherwise if we must have a live action Ghost in the Shell, then it needs to be R. if it isn't then it'll probably suck.

Ghost in the Shell has a lot of nudity, and violence in it. you can get away with some more explicit content in animation then you would in live action.

Stand alone complex didn't have any full frontal shots at all yet few would argue about its quality being top.
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Postby Chuckman » Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:26 pm

Full frontal in this movie would be a mistake, no human, not even ScarJo, is as perfect as a sculpted mechanical body. As much as the nudity (especially in the manga) is straight up erotic and meant to be tittilating she's also mean to be uncannily attractive.

A live action film would best handle that with some nudity discretion shots implying she's naked without showing anything.

As Rose points out, you can touch on all the way that the Major's appearance of feminine perfection is relevant to the story and themes without showing nipples or a some skin folds.

Edit: Why does she even have nipples? She should be able to flip an internal setting and turn her entire body into an erogenous zone or something if they're for sex and she doesn't have the bits in there to lactate anyway. Maybe she can pop her boobs open and put liquids in there?

Man when they introduce sex androids as a consumer product I hope I can have mine sit in my lap and breastfeed me pepsi while I play video games.
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Postby Ray » Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:39 pm

Man when they introduce sex androids as a consumer product I hope I can have mine sit in my lap and breastfeed me pepsi while I play video games.


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Postby Chuckman » Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:48 pm

Cast aside your limitations, Ray. Man is only the bridge between ape and soda boobs.
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Postby movieartman » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:22 pm

View Original PostRay wrote:1.) we must have a live action Ghost in the Shell, then it needs to be R. if it isn't then it'll probably suck.
2.) I highly doubt Scarlett Johansson will go full frontal.

1.) I believe its all but confirmed it will be PG-13, I recall it being stated that the creators refused to compromise on setting, tone & style but conceded with Scar Jo & the rating so the studio would be able to sell the film & it actually make money.
2.) She did in Under the Skin but that was of course more of art film.

View Original PostSachi wrote:Yes, because tits are essential to Ghost in the Shell.

I would say it is in part essential to its iconic-ness.
The opening credits of the 95 film playing over her body being built is absolutely beautiful. (incredible score helps immensely also)

View Original PostRosenakahara wrote:Stand alone complex didn't have any full frontal shots at all yet few would argue about its quality being top.

I have yet to watch the various follow up series or movies but from what I have seen she looks far more generic in them then in the manga or the 95 film.

Never minding titillation her being near naked, turning invisible & kicking utter ass was something truly iconic & awesome to behold. And said follow up material has treated it like a bastard step child out of prude cowardice.

View Original PostChuckman wrote:1.) Full frontal in this movie would be a mistake
2.) no human, not even ScarJo, is as perfect as a sculpted mechanical body.

1.) Good luck with that.
2.) She doesn't need to be, in the 95 film I got the impression she was given a standard issued female body, hence during the montage with her on the boat she sees someone with the same body through the windows of the restaurant above her.


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