Thanks for the report Jimbob!
Glad to hear that Allison Keith(Misato) apparently managed to take the changes on Misato's personality without making her sound heartless.
One of these day I should pick an English dub version of 2.0 and 3.0, just to hear Mari's VA, because apparently her lines are pure gold and she's quickly becoming a fan favorite in the English speaking audience!
Kendrix wrote:Another thing, besides the changes, that makes Misato (and Shinji) challenging for Q are their highly controversial actions; People will be picking around in all of their quotes; Just a little bit of nuance and inflection could make a huge difference in how they're percieved.
Looks like your question is answered Kendrix : the English dub opted making Shinji look more in the wrong(especially with the fact that apparently everyone calls him naive more often). Overall I get the feeling that the western renditions of the movie tone down the feeling of ambiguity to make us cheer or disapprove more of a side. That was the same thing with the French subs, but in the other side : they made Shinji's lines more desperate and looking like he's really backed against a corner and that these spears are really his last chance, making the audience more sympathetic to him.
Oh yeah and they toned up the gay vibes of the Shinji/Kaworu interactions too!
Jimbob wrote:Applause for the first appearances of Asuka, Rei, Mari, Kaworu, Misato and even Gendo, but not for Shinji.
Poor Shinji just can't win, isn't it?
Now that I'm think about it, he's the only character who didn't get an awesome introduction, so that's kinda understandable :
- Asuka was introduced piloting in space and slaloming between killer drones and explosions.
- Mari appeared with an hugeass sniper rifle killing every killer drone without a miss
- Misato appears with this aura of authority and inside the Command Bridge of the ship she commands, she really makes us understand that she owns the place!
- Rei appeared punching an hole through a giant flying battleship and making varappe with a 80 meter tall robot at high speed and hundreds of meters of altitude
- Kaworu appeared all swaggy looking at Shinji falling from the sky, and latter even swagger playing masterfully the piano
- Gendo appears out of the shadows with his new cyborg look with all his usual bastard swag to just give a single phrase to Shinji before leaving like a king
Shinji... wakes up in a sealed box, and after that is seen in a gown being dragged heavily restrained in a stretcher with four dudes pointing assaults rifles at his face, not really an awesome way to make your return!
Now for everyone's reaction toward the movie at the end... well that pretty much the standard reaction to everyone who see it for the first time, it have so many gut punches, shocking scenes and confusing moments that you can only have a emotional, almost visceral reaction to it, especially toward Shinji(be it sympathy or hate). It's only after seeing it again that you start to pick up all the little details you missed the first time and begin to understand the forces playing behind the curtain to make the situation at the end of the movie possible, and that's what make this movie so great!
Still I feel that all the respect Shinji managed to gain from the western audience at the end of 2.0 just died very messily, and could have very well reached levels of loathing even greater than EoE!Shinji!
Let's see if FINAL manages to redeem his character in the eyes of the westerners.
While I'm on it, there is some questions I wanted to ask about some lines the characters said in the dub :
- What was Misato's rendition of her line when answering to Shinji who wanted to help : "From now on... you'll do nothing" or simply "Do nothing"?
- Sakura's last line : was it "Give us a break!", "I don't want it to happen all over again!", "I really want to forgive you!" or "I really want you to forgive me!"?
- When Kaworu revealed to Shinji what happened to Tokyo-3, what were his words about Shinji's responsibility : "You were the cause of everything" or "You were the key to everything"? For reference, the phrase he says just before is "Ikari Shinji-kun, once Awakened, Eva-01 opened the Door of Guf and became the trigger for Third Impact. Lilin call it Near Third Impact.
- Just before Asuka's Eva falls out of battery, what was what she screamed to Shinji "Go down, bratty Shinji!" or "Shut-up and die, bratty Shinji!"
- When Mari talked to Rei Q, what did she said about the ADAM's Vessel :"You should get out of there before you turn into an Adams' Vessel." or "You should get out of there before you gets absorbed by the Adams' Vessel."?
