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Postby Lavinius » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:06 am

Headcanon: Utena is set in a world where Napoléon succeeded and created a unified European Empire. This empire conquered Japan before the Meiji restoration could occur, and so the culture of Japan is by now heavily Europeanized.

The Himemiya are, by the way, officially descended from Indian princes who allied with the French to drive to British out.

The situation has since normalized and Japan is now pretty sovereign, and by now many of the wealthy European families who colonized a hundred and fifty years ago are by now in poverty while many of the Japanese families are prospering.

And that is why Touga and Nanami are white.

: ^)

Alternatively, the two races' nobilities are by now one, and everyone of class in Japan just has two sets of names, one for use in French, and one for use in Japanese, to avoid the awkwardness of Romanizing Japanese names or Japanizing French names. (And the same, substituting Tamil for French).
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Postby NemZ » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:16 am

...that's actually rather plausible. I like it.
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Postby Lavinius » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:26 am

Going further: Well-off Japanese in the 19th century started to dye their hair in order look more European. Of course this fooled absolutely no one and the colors were so off that eventually some of them decided that if they were going to dye it wouldn't be some boring brown. As such, dying one's hair a ridiculous color is now a status symbol and often practiced by the upper class and those with upper-class pretensions.

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Postby gorgeousshutin » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:07 am

Have combed through Utena, Penguindrum, and Yuri Kuma repeatedly (cause main fic is ongoing and needs references all the time).
Am beginning to think that all three Ikuhara shows essentially got near-identical endings offering the exact same message -- with Utena's execution being the most subtle, and Yuri Kuma's being the most blatant.
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Postby Azathoth » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:30 pm

Is Penguinbear or whatever it wound up being called worth a watch? Managed to totally miss everything about it
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Postby robersora » Tue Jan 12, 2016 5:35 pm

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There's the Lesbian Bear Storm and Mawaru Penguin Drum. Both of them are worth watching, if you like Utena and can handle an even more surrealist approach to story telling. Both of them are quite out there indeed, but come together beautifully in the end. People seem to be pretty divided in terms of if they're good, or just pretentious, though.
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:06 pm

The below are all IMHO.

On a scale of 1 to 10

Utena:
character 10
plot 9
style 8

Penguindrum:
character 7
plot 8 (given this rating because, convoluted thought the execution, it is partially based on the real life 1995 Tokyo Subway Attack€)
style 9

Yuri Kuma:
character 6
plot 7
style 10
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Postby FreakyFilmFan4ever » Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:02 am

So, earlier this year Nozomi announced that their first Blu-ray release will be Revolutionary Girl Utena. Since then they have released two entirely different titles onto Blu-ray without releasing any Utena.

Then in September Crunchyroll said that Nozomi was seeking fan input as to why should be included in the Utena Blu-ray release. The year is almost over, and Nozomi still hasn't release Utena on BD.

I find this more frustrating than Funimation's Eva Q BD release mix-up, probably because there's been no active press release from Nozomi since the initial announcement. (Funimation at least have us repeated "Yeah, we're working on it," updates throughout, if only to "prove" that they didn't forget about it.) But still, I am excited.

How does everyone else feel about this?
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Postby pwhodges » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:46 pm

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Postby Director Black » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:02 pm

It's great. I love it when a company that releases a product screws it's fans over by disorganization with release. I mean, why else would've another great show like Invader Zim get cancelled barely into it's 2nd season?! :w00t: *sigh* :facepalm:
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:39 pm

In case people still don't know, the official sequel to the Utena manga is coming out in July :D
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Postby Reichu » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:22 am

Web searches aren't giving me anything. Got more details on this?
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Postby EvangelionFan » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:05 am

I had a look over on the ohtori.nu forums and found some discussion about this recent article over on ann: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... ly/.116631

According to the article, the original artist/author of the manga is releasing a new chapter in July ... unfortunately the article is short of any other details , though it does note that at this time there have yet to be any further chapters announced. A few users on ohtori.nu are noting that it is going to be about 60 pages long, and that this is consistent with the chapter length of the original manga.

Apparently this is promo art for the new chapter: http://natalie.mu/comic/news/234268
And there's additional discussion over at ohtori.nu: http://forums.ohtori.nu/viewtopic.php?id=4313

I appreciate hearing about this, as IIRC this is the first time in over fifteen years that any of the original Be Papas group have created something for the Utena franchise. I look forward to finding out more about this, though as haven't read the original manga, I am unsure if I'll be able to follow along with any story-related spoilers that come out.
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:29 pm

View Original PostEvangelionFan wrote:I appreciate hearing about this, as IIRC this is the first time in over fifteen years that any of the original Be Papas group have created something for the Utena franchise. I look forward to finding out more about this, though as haven't read the original manga, I am unsure if I'll be able to follow along with any story-related spoilers that come out.

You're welcome. The first chapter is coming out on July 28. Already excitement over the 20-year later continuation has spawned something . . . unexpected:
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:00 pm

Personally I'm not sure if I'm happy about this. I mean, many series lives on as a diverse variety of often wonderful fanfics. When oficial seqeul comes up it often disappoints and muddles what was if not a good story, than at least a good base for fanworks. Your Utena fic was damn awesome.

That's why I also dread next seasons of FLCL but that's different topic.
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:35 pm

View Original PostStillborn wrote:Personally I'm not sure if I'm happy about this. I mean, many series lives on as a diverse variety of often wonderful fanfics. When oficial seqeul comes up it often disappoints and muddles what was if not a good story, than at least a good base for fanworks. Your Utena fic was damn awesome.

I am so happy that you like Seinen Kakumei Utena! It's my headcanon sequel for both Utena and Penguindrum, and has eaten up like all my free time since 2012. It so happens to be a highly polarizing fic, where people either love it or outright condemn it as "problematic". So it's always a pleasant surprise when a new person approaches me with a positive comment. Yup, you've totally made my day, Stillborn :D

I also get where you're coming with your concern. Yeah, unlike an AU rebuild, this is a sequel, which will affect the original story. So far, this is a manga-canon sequel only. But Ikuhara is backing Chiho Saito on this, and has even done a new interview together with CS which will be published alongside the new chapter. If the manga sequel proves successful enough, it might spawn one for the anime, which would impact that most-praised of Utena canons.

P.S. The next update for seinen should be within weeks!
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:59 pm

It was a fun fic. Often confusing and I had to consult wiki often since I didn't watched Penguindrum and had to supplement myself with that, but I enjoyed it. Even if certain characters *coughtanthycought* made me want to go all Good Hunter on them and let the blood flow and immortals die XD.

But many characters actually evolved positvely and even Kozue became symphatetic.

Also

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Utena changing into Eva XD


It's been a while since I read you fic and I probably missed an update or two (maybe more) so I may not know anything recent but as for now, I can say that while I'm a sucker for classical boy x girl romance (and harems... and reverse harems... and bisexual harems XD) at this point I don't care who Utena ends up with and what gender s/he will have, as long as it's not Anthy. Seriously she (Anthy) doesn't deserve her main love interest. Let her live her life but deny her that prize. She did too much evil willingly.
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:40 pm

Hehe, thank you for these author-enabling praises (you've totally just sped up my next update XD). I figure
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if Utena can become a car she can damn well become an EVA. At least the latter is biotic and has a 99.99-% DNA similarity with humans :D Also in the TV canon there's an intimate quality to Utena and Touga's final duel, as with the driver/car team up in the Movie. Now that I'm having Utena and Touga fight together as a team, I want it to come off even more intimate. And what can be more intimate than a driver/car except for the synchronization between pilot and EVA?
As for Anthy well . . . I hope the ending I give her will be one that pleases you (no spoilers there, nope)?

Speaking of boy boy vs boy girl, it is interesting to note how the mangaka Chiho Saito was known to be a big fan of the latter - to the point that
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Manga!Touga is a legit love interest of Manga!Utena, plus there is straight Manga!Juri.
Nowadays, it seems like most of the remaining fans are hardcore LGBT-representation pushers. A lot of them have voice their hatred of the original manga, so I wonder how they'd take to its upcoming sequel :uhh:
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Postby Stillborn » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:46 pm

Personally I like straight pairings, but I don't oppose to polyamory of any gender. It's straight yaoi and yuri I rather avoid but I will not deny if character is awesome despite their sexuality and will not try to "fix" it by fanfic (At worse I'll expand it to other genders... And species XD Hey if Kill La Kill made a demi-human x talking fuku a valid romance, sky is the limit XD).
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Postby gorgeousshutin » Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:56 pm

Manga is out! And it is confirmed to be an ongoing sequel, with the second chapter coming up in winter. Current installment confirms just how much Chiho Saito loves the Touga :D
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