Was emo Shinji becoming AN HERO in 25'?

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:54 am

Offshoot of this old thread.

Anno mentioned Shinji's inability to commit suicide. Ep4: He's sitting on a cliff famous for such according to the script.

Ep25': His head's wet; he's at the lake he talked with Misato at the night before.

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Ep26': Instrumenality=allegory for suicide, nuff said.

What was he doing at the start of EoE? I don't think it's a stretch he tried to die like that, given everything up to that point.
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Postby Sachi » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:08 am

IIRC, wasn't the general consensus that he tried drowning himself?
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:25 am

I believe it was, though something script-wise instead of just evidence with his "I want to die" lines (words to Misato), resisting the JSSDF, and mourning Kaworu would be nice.

Basically, would Shinji have it in him to commit a half-assed drowning attempt? I think so, but...

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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:27 am

Wow, so Shinji tried to kill himself in episode 4. Now gf/I thought about that and she said "I thought so then it turned out to be a beautiful scene."

So when he was standing beside the water, he tried to drown himself?

Please do explain more.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:59 am

Shinji just sat by the cliff in Ep4.

With EoE, Misato left Shinji alone all night or he returned to the lake the next morning then did the deed with dunking his head. This is all before he sees Asuka by the way.

Now, is there anything to suggest the shots of Misato's gun and her looking exhausted/upset in 23' or 24' (I forget which episode, but it's after Misato says she accepted Kaji's feelings for her) implies Misato entertained the thought of suicide (before she came to terms Kaji's death)?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:08 am

Otakon 08 Ikari wrote:Wow, so Shinji tried to kill himself in episode 4. Now gf/I thought about that and she said "I thought so then it turned out to be a beautiful scene."


The screenplay is quite direct about it -- http://www.evacommentary.org/episode-04 ... tml#cut091

Otakon 08 Ikari wrote:So when he was standing beside the water, he tried to drown himself?


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Unless he suddenly took the impulse to wash his head at us (like Marvin the paranoid android)...

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Postby NemZ » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:22 am

Indeed, he might have felt disappointed when Misato showed up to save him.
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Postby skikes » Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:00 pm

Wow i didn't think there was anything i didnt know about nge, but here we are. This is news to me :/

Never knew about ep4 and suicide and tbh never really wondered about the wet hair.
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Postby Otakon 08 Ikari » Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:00 pm

So he thought about drowning himself but did not, understandable.
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Postby DAVEvangelion » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:12 pm

I find Shinji's inability to commit suicide much more interesting than the fact that he attempted it. Why can't he do it? Is it due more to a physical or a mental/psychological inability?
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Postby Defectron » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:34 pm

I find Shinji's inability to commit suicide much more interesting than the fact that he attempted it. Why can't he do it? Is it due more to a physical or a mental/psychological inability?


Probably nothing that complicated, he's probably just too scared to go through with it all the way.
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Postby Rodeo » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:49 pm

DAVEvangelion wrote:I find Shinji's inability to commit suicide much more interesting than the fact that he attempted it. Why can't he do it? Is it due more to a physical or a mental/psychological inability?


Don't most attempters find themselves unable to do it?

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Postby DAVEvangelion » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:59 pm

Rodeo wrote:Don't most attempters find themselves unable to do it?


I looked up the numbers and you are correct; the number of unsuccessful attempts greatly outweigh the number of successful suicides. So is Shinji, as Anno has stated, truly unable to commit the act or is his "attempt" more of a cry for help?
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Postby AuraTwilight » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:19 pm

I like to think that Shinji is so helpless and incompetent that he tripped into the water on accident, tried to take suicidal advantage, and failed.

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Postby Lucretius » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:37 pm

You're all reading way too much into a shot of Shinji with his bangs covering his eyes. :rei_meh:

He shuddered a bit, remembering the somewhat creepy level of detail Kaji had gone into, while rubbing a watermelon in a disturbingly sexual way.

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Postby slothen » Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:15 pm

DAVEvangelion wrote:I find Shinji's inability to commit suicide much more interesting than the fact that he attempted it. Why can't he do it? Is it due more to a physical or a mental/psychological inability?


this reminds me, when I was younger, I used to think about suicide quite a bit. Mostly I would think about what would happen if i were to do something resulting in my death, such as stepping off a cliff or into traffic. I was never really suicidal, but it was something that I thought about quite a lot for a time. I remember specifically hiking to the top of a cliff in the Appalachian mountains with my family when I was about 11. I started thinking about it, and actually became quite upset.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:02 pm

Tines: Thanks for the image link.
Luc: Then why is his head all wet? :tongue: I seriously doubt it's just from the heat that day.

DAVEvangelion wrote:So is Shinji, as Anno has stated, truly unable to commit the act or is his "attempt" more of a cry for help?


I say both; based on personal expereince.

And he's unable to go with accepting Instrumenality later on, he says it feels wrong to him, which is telling.

Also, I know Rebuild usually goes in the subforum, but no input on my 1.0 thoughts?
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Postby Great Genius Shinji-Sama » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:05 pm

Possibly. Also didnt he walk up to cliffface or something like that in Episode 4 before he ran into Kensuke?
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Postby esselfortium » Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:29 pm

Great Genius Shinji-Sama wrote:Possibly. Also didnt he walk up to cliffface or something like that in Episode 4 before he ran into Kensuke?

And if you listen closely enough, in threads just like this one, you can still hear forum posters who are already talking about it....oooooooooo

A scary story indeed.

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Postby skikes » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:17 am

Wait, so...

Shinji - Tried to drown himself
Asuka - Cut her wrists
Rei - Blew herself up
Kaworu - Let himself be smushed by Unit 01
Touji - ?

Really Touji's the non-suicidal one?
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