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Postby MarqFJA87 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:09 pm

I've noticed that there is a distinct lack of references/citations in the First Ancestral Race's article. This, combined with much of the included information not matching the translated FAR entry in NGE2's Classified Information materials, makes me doubt the veracity of much of the article right now.

So... Does anyone know where the extra info in the article comes from?
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Postby Ornette » Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:42 pm

Based on the revision hsitory, my guess is the NGE2 game, though some of the stuff seems to come from back when V wrote the article.

Here's a thread that may be relevant: thread/8703/NGE2-First-Ancestral-Race-and-Seeds-of-Life/
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Postby Bagheera » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:02 pm

Can you give some examples of material not matching up? I read through it and found a few ideas that seemed to be assumptions, but nothing immediately jumped out at me that conflicted with the CI.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:24 pm

View Original PostMarqFJA87 wrote:So... Does anyone know where the extra info in the article comes from?

If it isn't from either the CI or from Kaworu's bad ending (PSP version), then it's probably bullshit.
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:12 am

View Original PostOrnette wrote:Based on the revision hsitory, my guess is the NGE2 game, though some of the stuff seems to come from back when V wrote the article.

Here's a thread that may be relevant: thread/8703/NGE2-First-Ancestral-Race-and-Seeds-of-Life/

Huh. Someone should make a summary of what that ending is saying about the FAR lore, and then figure out how to make references for the article.

View Original PostBagheera wrote:Can you give some examples of material not matching up? I read through it and found a few ideas that seemed to be assumptions, but nothing immediately jumped out at me that conflicted with the CI.

Well, the parts about there being only seven Seeds in existence and the FAR using the whole thing to reincarnate their souls aren't mentioned in CI at all. And the "imminent destruction" and "various demographics" parts, too.
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Postby Bagheera » Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:17 am

The bit about seven seeds comes from Kaworu's ending in the NGE2 game, so that's valid since it isn't contradicted anywhere.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:45 pm

View Original PostMarqFJA87 wrote:Well, the parts about there being only seven Seeds in existence and the FAR using the whole thing to reincarnate their souls aren't mentioned in CI at all. And the "imminent destruction" and "various demographics" parts, too.

That's all from the Kaworu ending.
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:47 pm

Bagheera wrote:The bit about seven seeds comes from Kaworu's ending in the NGE2 game, so that's valid since it isn't contradicted anywhere.

Valid due to lack of contradiction, yes. But I remember that the Classified Information entries (which come from the same game) are stated to fall somewhere between tier 2 and tier 3 of your "what is canon?" system (which I honestly find quite reasonable and well-devised), due to lack of reliability on whether or not it's indeed straight from Anno. To quote (emphasis mine): "The CI could be considered to fall somewhere between tier 2 or tier 3 canon, due to the fact that there is no way of confirming that the information is "100% Anno" and wasn't embellished at all by the game's producers."

So with that in mind, wouldn't Kaworu's ending count as being of similar canon-ranking by that system? Heck, for all we know Gainax had concocted almost all of the CI entries as well as the exposition in Kaworu's ending during the development of the game, and simply are not willing to admit that they hadn't had any solid concept for the FAR et al. when they made the anime and manga beyond the sparse bits that were present in the Proposal (basically, that the precursor race exists and are the creators of the Seeds and their Moons, and thus indirectly creators of the Angels/Apostolos and humanity).

Reichu wrote:That's all from the Kaworu ending.

Yeah, though the choice of vocabulary seems to take unnecessary liberties and assumptions compared to what's provided in the actual translation of the ending... unless there is another translation that I'm not aware of (I haven't gone through the whole thread, BTW).
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Postby Bagheera » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:53 pm

I generally agree, but unless it's contradicted somewhere else I really don't see the problem.
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Mon May 09, 2016 5:03 am

On a different note, I'd like to draw your attention to a glaring mistake in the transliteration of Vincennes' first name. The katakana in this image are actually pronounced as Marii rather than Maria, therefore her name is not "Maria" -- or Mari/Mary, for that matter, since that one has a short i sound at the end, and the latter is typically rendered as Meari(i) in Japanese -- but rather "Marie".
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Postby MarqFJA87 » Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:58 pm

OK, someone corrected the names, but now her image on the Extracanonical Characters page is broken and I have no idea how to rename the original file. Help, please?
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Postby Ornette » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:33 pm

You need to "Move" a page in order to rename it. Not sure if that's only an admin-only ability. FIxed.
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