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Postby Alaska Slim » Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:46 am

View Original PostNAveryW wrote:Before I watched Digimon Adventure I had intended to eventually watch and possibly review Digimon: The Movie, but Hosoda's movies were so outstanding that if the The Movie movie is really anywhere near as bad as the critics thought, I'd probably end up being too upset to enjoy its campiness.

In my opinion, the "The Movie" Improved the first 02 film, that was just so boring and aimless, and there's even a part where you have to be fluent in Engrish to know what the hell one of the characters are saying.

View Original PostNAveryW wrote:I'll probably leave the Digimon franchise behind for now, but I intend to eventually watch Digimon Tamers at some point after I get around to watching Serial Experiments Lain.

Before Tamers, I suggest you watch the first arc of 02, the Digimon Emperor, and be sure to catch episode 13, which was directed by Chiaki Konaka. The themes presented there, and where Tai forces Augmon to become SkullGreymon, influenced the 3rd. In general, there's also a few other ideas you could say 02 did first, but Tamers did right.
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Postby NAveryW » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:28 pm

For the sake of analyzing Mamoru Hosoda's storytelling style and hopefully getting some of it to rub off on me, I've watched his Digimon movies several times now. While Digimon Adventure (first movie) consistently reaffirms how masterfully constructed it is, Our War Game feels more problematic. In particular, most of the characters don't behave like themselves.

It's very odd for Agumon to say “You saved the digital world. Now it's our turn to help you,” since the children and the Digimon worked together to save both worlds. The Vamdemon arc was dedicated specifically to saving the real world.

Through the whole series, Koushiro has been shown to focus intensely on whatever task he's set for himself, even to the point of ignoring other more important things. In Our War Game, while Diablomon is attacking, Koushiro drinks too much tea, checks his e-mail, and helps Taichi's mother make a cake.

Taichi even ends up starting a fight with Koushiro for not staying on task and Yamato has to tell Taichi to lay off. After all the fights Yamato started with Taichi, this feels completely backwards.

Sora has never seemed like the sort of person to hold a grudge over something small. In Our War Game, she acts like Mimi. While I'll accept that people do get offended over unexpected things, this constitutes the entirety of her character in Our War Game. She doesn't say or do anything in the movie that doesn't have to do with her being upset over getting a hairpin.

If Taichi told Hikari to come home over something important, she wouldn't stay at a birthday party and play cards. Taichi wouldn't skirt around the facts, either: he'd tell her there's a Digimon-related emergency and she'd come right away. Hikari's case feels especially egregious because Mamoru Hosoda created her for the first movie and directed the episode she first appeared in, yet she comes across as inconsistent in Our War Game.

I'm usually able to accept inconsistencies of this sort ("Oh well, the Simpsons now aren't the same characters they used to be; the show's just jumped the shark"), but it's particuarly frustrating on this occasion because Our War Game is better than the Digimon Adventure TV series in every regard. But Hosoda's always worked with the elements of Digimon he's wanted to and discarded or reappropriated the rest, and while that allows the movies to work much better as stand-alone works, it makes appreciating Our War Game as a part of the whole difficult.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:35 am

Just to make it known, Crunchyroll now has three seasons of Digimon for free:

Digimon 02 (Season 2, sequel to the first)

Digimon Tamers (Season 3, standalone series)

Digimon Xros Wars - The Young Hunters Who Leapt Through Time (Season 8, sequel to seasons 6 and 7)


Digimon Tamers is the only one I'd recommend, and in case Crunchy Roll doesn't work.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:13 am

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:Digimon Tamers (Season 3, standalone series)



Yay! Glad to hear it.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:33 am

Updated to episode 41, which is the end of the Digital world arc, and right before the finale arc. 39-41 unfortunately as I found out are the old Positron subs, looking for the newer versions before adding the rest.
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Postby chaosakita » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:39 pm

Everyone here should watch Digimon Tamers! It is like Evangelion mixed with Serial Experiments Lain and Digimon.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:45 pm

View Original Postchaosakita wrote:Everyone here should watch Digimon Tamers! It is like Evangelion mixed with Serial Experiments Lain and Digimon.


It is the best series out of all of them.
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Postby robersora » Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:27 pm

View Original Postchaosakita wrote:Everyone here should watch Digimon Tamers! It is like Evangelion mixed with Serial Experiments Lain and Digimon.


Well... That's a bit too enthusiastic, but it is the BEST children series out there.
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Postby Tankred » Sun Nov 04, 2012 1:33 pm

View Original Postchaosakita wrote:Everyone here should watch Digimon Tamers! It is like Evangelion mixed with Serial Experiments Lain and Digimon.


Don't you start doing an Alaska Slim.

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Postby chaosakita » Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:50 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:Well... That's a bit too enthusiastic, but it is the BEST children series out there.


But isn't Evangelion technically a children's series too?
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Postby robersora » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:49 am

^
Not after Episode 16. At least not for me.
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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:58 am

View Original PostTankred wrote:Don't you start doing an Alaska Slim.

I haven't seen Serial Experiments Lain, though the comparison may still be apt for all I know, as they did have the same person heading them. I personally like to call Digimon Tamers "Evangelimon", due to how said person is also an Eva fan, and peppered the show with references and homages. Even if the show itself is not to your liking, there's still plenty for Eva fans to enjoy in it.

Anyway, how many of you get this reference?

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Postby Tankred » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:48 am

Yes yes I clearly remember Tamers from when I was younger, maybe I should watch the subbed version.

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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:56 pm

View Original PostTankred wrote:maybe I should watch the subbed version.

Be warned, you may be struck by how much more... quiet it is. And that the teacher is now something of a self-centered bitch. And that Rika's mother goes up a few intelligent quotients. Just a few though.

Oh, and the final scene plays out very differently.
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Postby bobbyfischer's ghost » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:03 pm

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:
Oh, and the final scene plays out very differently.


How so?
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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:18 pm

The exchange between Henry and his Dad, very different, both in what they say, and what is subtly implied. You could say the dub ending in the comparison was more mean-spirited, one of the few things I hold against it. By contrast, I'd say the episode 7 exchange between Takato and Guilmon is better in the Dub, feels more authentic, and resonates with events to follow.

Incidentally, watching Tamers in Japanese is why I can't watch DBZ in Japanese. Guilmon and Goku just sound too much alike, which is of course no accident.
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Postby chaosakita » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:00 pm

View Original Postrobersora wrote:^
Not after Episode 16. At least not for me.


No, I really do think Anno did intend the entire TV series to be for kids.

View Original PostTankred wrote:Yes yes I clearly remember Tamers from when I was younger, maybe I should watch the subbed version.


I watched the Taiwanese version of Tamers, except for the movies.

View Original PostAlaska Slim wrote:Incidentally, watching Tamers in Japanese is why I can't watch DBZ in Japanese. Guilmon and Goku just sound too much alike, which is of course no accident.


I watched the second Tamers movie in Japanese (couldn't find subs for the main version), but I never really noticed it.

DBZ is about the only anime I can watched dubbed though.
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Postby Xard » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:47 pm

mfw there's no age limits apart from All Ages and 18+ in Japan

mfw they've said their core target was high schoo-university student aged guys

mfw Anno also wanted to traumatize kids with shit like ep 19 to make them stronger and not inclined to escape from reality

mfw in the end he just made Eva for himself



basically: implying Eva had clear target audience in mind beyond "pitching-it-for-producers" phase
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Postby chaosakita » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:18 pm

View Original PostXard wrote:mfw there's no age limits apart from All Ages and 18+ in Japan

mfw they've said their core target was high schoo-university student aged guys

mfw Anno also wanted to traumatize kids with shit like ep 19 to make them stronger and not inclined to escape from reality

mfw in the end he just made Eva for himself



basically: implying Eva had clear target audience in mind beyond "pitching-it-for-producers" phase


Wow, no need to be so condescending because I made a slip up and don't know everything behind the intent of Eva. That's really bizarre.

But I disagree. I don't think it's possible to make good art without an audience in mind, and even if Anno didn't, the network originally aimed it at middle-school and high-school kids. Happy?
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Postby Xard » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:30 pm

View Original Postchaosakita wrote:But I disagree. I don't think it's possible to make good art without an audience in mind, and even if Anno didn't, the network originally aimed it at middle-school and high-school kids. Happy?


No, I just think the question itself is stupid and to some degree unanswerable. In different ways they were targeting very different audiences and it's not like Anno was working with singular motivations anyway. Saying "Eva was for kids" is just as wrong as saying it wasn't aimed at them at all.

If anything Anno wanted to create new Gundam and/or new Yamato which had large appeal in very large range of demographics.
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