I saw this film over a month ago, but for some reason haven't posted in this thread. Well, I probably don't have anything new to say on the matter, the characters were one note, the story done to death, the conflict black and white, but I enjoyed it strictly for immersion and special effects I guess, while my mother and grandmother thought it held some profound intellectual message and argued with about how 'everything I like has to be different and blah, blah, blah,' when I told them that they're wrong and can't debate, then when I told my friend my impressions of it he's just 'blah, blah, blah, nobody does anything but bitch anymore', although I did like the film and I had to explain to him the difference between bitching and criticism, 'criticism is a good thing, it makes things better, blah, blah, blah', pretend I was never here.
"Now, from Nature we obtain abundant information about ourselves, and precious little about others. About the woman you clasp in your arms, can you say with certainty that she does not feign pleasure? About the woman you mistreat, are you quite sure that from abuse she does not derive some obscure and lascivious satisfaction? Let us confine ourselves to simple evidence: through thoughtfulness, gentleness, concern for the feelings of others we saddle our own pleasure with restrictions, and make this sacrifice to obtain a doubtful result." -The Divine Marquis
"I agree Hans, but we have talked about those anal fisting analogies." -Werner Herzog