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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Sun May 17, 2009 7:21 pm

No doubt he'd be a great filmmaker for Eva- he loves to deal with prepubescent sexuality.

BUT he won't have the clout to make it R and until we hear otherwise, he doesn't care about Eva. Besides, he's got about 4 films lined up and committed to already.

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Postby NAveryW » Sun May 17, 2009 7:44 pm

At least there's the heavily abused trend of releasing uncut versions of films on DVD.
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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Sun May 17, 2009 7:58 pm

my guess is whatever nudity is in there will be implied in the theatrical cut and explicit on DVD

however, I really doubt either version would have hawt, explicit, NC-17 A/S fcking, or anything close enough to warrant concerns by federal authorities a la the Miller test, though we may see some sexytime involving Misato/Kaji or Ritsuko/Maya

as for a worst case scenario, some communities go as far to try and ban it from being shown or sold, and it becomes a big media-driven event with people such as the likes of Jack Thompson may try and find a career in speaking out against, but that's about as much scrutiny as Live Action Eva could ever hope for

btw, all this talk of Megan Fox makes me think she just might be the best chick out there to play Misato, all apologies, I'm jus' sayin' :misato_service:
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Postby Guyver Spawn » Sun May 17, 2009 8:05 pm

BUT he won't have the clout to make it R and until we hear otherwise, he doesn't care about Eva. Besides, he's got about 4 films lined up and committed to already.


I look at his profile at IMDB and he does seem busy. I think we have a better chance of a unkown director getting hire for the movie then someone famous.
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Postby Timstuff » Sun May 17, 2009 10:58 pm

If they make the characters 15 in the first movie (16 in the second and third) and get young adult actors (18-22) to play them, then there won't be any problems regarding the adult themes in the story. Hardcore fanboys and some borderline child predators would likely pitch a fit, but I don't care. Also, using adult actors would mean no-one would have to feel wrong for how seeing Asuka and Rei in their plug suits makes them feel. ;)
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon May 18, 2009 2:24 am

It's ironic you're avatar is "Watchmen Saturday Morning Cartoon".
Cause that's an idea almost as outlandishly stupid as a live action Eva.

Almost.

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Postby Alaska Slim » Mon May 18, 2009 3:19 am

Come to think of it, Harry Potter is going to have to deal with a similar issue of that "vision" thing where it's finally revealed Ron is as insecure as everyone knew he was. Wonder how they'll approach it (meh, they'll probably just be wearing clothes). (:|
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Postby Timstuff » Mon May 18, 2009 3:53 am

Gendo'sPapa wrote:It's ironic you're avatar is "Watchmen Saturday Morning Cartoon".
Cause that's an idea almost as outlandishly stupid as a live action Eva.

Almost.


Now I've read some doozies before, but this... Well, I just hope you aren't being serious, because that's exactly the kind of fanboy attitude I've grown increasingly annoyed by in recent times. Your comparison reminds me more of the comments I've read from people detracting from the Watchmen movie. There's a clear difference in my mind between legitimate critique, and simply complaining because something is different from what you wanted. LAEM is going to be different from the show, but rather than dreading it I'm actually looking forward to it.

Alaska Slim wrote:Come to think of it, Harry Potter is going to have to deal with a similar issue of that "vision" thing where it's finally revealed Ron is as insecure as everyone knew he was. Wonder how they'll approach it (meh, they'll probably just be wearing clothes). (:|


I haven't read the Potter books so I'm not really familiar with what you're talking about. Is Ron's junk small or something?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon May 18, 2009 4:10 am

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Postby backseatjesus » Mon May 18, 2009 4:40 am

They could always save the nudity parts for one of the sequels(if there are any..). You know, everything starts out a bit innocent and as they get older, things progress.

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Postby Timstuff » Mon May 18, 2009 1:35 pm

I still say the easiest solution is to just hire actors who are 18-22. TV shows are full of teen sex and stuff, and they get away with it because the actors are not minors. As for the nudity issue, it's not like they're going to show anything anyway, since these films will almost definitely be PG-13. At the most we might get a glimpse of someone's ass or bare back, but there's no way they'll sacrifice the film's box office just to show someone's naughty bits.
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Postby oOoOoOo » Mon May 18, 2009 3:15 pm

Human sexuality has no place in mainstream American movies. Violence and torture, yes. Real human interaction... not so much. ;_; There's no way in hell they'll show any nipples or bums or anything like that. None of that has any relevance to the plot anyway (aside from atmosphere, flavour, and explicitness). They can easily get rid of that.

But seriously, are we worried about the "child porn" angle? Shouldn't we be a bit more worried about...

...the fact that studios were taking interest in the project because TRANSFORMERS did well, which means they want something LIKE Transformers. They want that epic giant robot action element. That is worrisome. Giant robots have nothing to do with why I like NGE.

The people involved, though, seem to be saying they're interested in following Jackson's example with Lord of the Rings, which resisted studio pressures to be (dare I say it) an "artistic" rather than purely "commercial" product. I still don't see the nudity remaining, especially when the merchandising angle makes this seem like a "children's franchise".

Of course, let's remember people protested "The Two Towers" because it was offensive to the "memory of 9/11". How will people react to monstrous "angels" attacking the earth? Do we all remember how the live-action version of Pullman's "Golden Compass" has all of the religious elements removed? I think whether or not we see nipples is beside the point. They could easily muck this whole project up even with a triple-X rating.

I am not optimistic about this project. I'll be surprised if it gets made. I'll be even more surprised if it isn't a complete bastardization.

P.S. Anyone I know who looks my boxset for Evangelion thinks it is a series for little boys. They think I own it because of my "tomboy" phase. Imagine what the money people are going to say. Aaaack~
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Postby backseatjesus » Mon May 18, 2009 3:43 pm

oOoOoOo wrote:Human sexuality has no place in mainstream American movies.

Yeah, it does, but people won't accept it because they're too afraid of their bodies.

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Postby Timstuff » Mon May 18, 2009 4:13 pm

I don't see why so many people seem to think there will be some kind of religious controversy around the movie. It's not like Golden Compass where there was a very blatant anti-religious message in it. Evangelion has a lot of stuff that is named after things from the Bible, but there's nothing offensive about that. They're not killing actual angels, they are killing monsters who were named after the angels from the bible. Perhaps since the movie is made by and for western culture the religious symbolism will take on a different meaning when its adapted, but I don't think the goal of the movie is going to be to court controversy. The point of the show was not to make an argument against Christianity, because the show was merely making superficial use of Biblical imagery and names. It's not like Golden Compass where God is basically a con artist who wants to control the world.

I don't see why they can't find a happy medium beween what made us like the show and what will sell at the box office. I know I sound like a broken record bringing up Star Trek, but Star Trek managed to take the best of what the show had to offer and make it fun enough for the general audience to enjoy. To many fans its "Star Trek lite," but it's still good, and just about anyone can enjoy it regardless of their knowledge about the series. Evangelion can offer giant robot fun to the masses, and I don't see what's wrong with that. However, that does not have to mean there won't be room for the actual characters. I don't really expect and deep analysis of the characters in the first movie, since in a trilogy the first movie is typically the most "fun" and is used to make the audience like the characters.

Basically, I don't see why a movie can't have good characters / story and still be fun. Just because the anime devolved into a dark joyless mess near the end doesn't mean that's the only direction that the story can go in. On the flipside though, movie trilogies typically get darker in the second and third acts, so I think we'll still get the dark cerebral material in the movies, even if it's done with more restraint.

Ugh, and here I'm once again rambling on and on about wether or not a "fun and accessible" Evangelion is still Evangelion, when this thread was about child porn laws. To get back on topic, child exploitation laws are exactly what they sound like-- they are in place to keep minors from being exploited. If the actors playing the characters are not minors though, then they've got nothing to worry about. The end result may be that they have to make the pilots be a year or two older to account for how the actors look (I'd say 15 in the first movie, and 16 in the second two), but I'd be fine with that.

And again, I don't want to feel weird when I see Asuka in a plugsuit! Knowing that the actress is actually legal would make things a lot less awkward...
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Postby Mr. Tines » Mon May 18, 2009 4:48 pm

Timstuff wrote:They're not killing actual angels
Just do a survey of NGE fanfics some time and tell me that JQPublic will understand that when the fans don't.
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Postby Timstuff » Mon May 18, 2009 5:43 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:
Timstuff wrote:They're not killing actual angels
Just do a survey of NGE fanfics some time and tell me that JQPublic will understand that when the fans don't.


All they have to do is have a character say that the creatures are codenamed "Angels." They could have a more technical sounding "scientific name," but they call them angels because its quicker, and it can be presumed that it's because they came from "the heavens" (or space) like an Angel, and are "messengers of the apocalypse" (Angel means messanger). And in Japan, they were called Apostles anyway, so I try not to read too deeply into the name, even though there are plenty of people who do.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon May 18, 2009 6:31 pm

This whole argument is just a case of FAN GREED.

Instead of being excited that we have new Evangelion in the form of Hideaki Anno directed animation films and settle for that we have to look forward to how else we can be spoiled and how else this same damn story can be retold.

Look, I'm an avid fan of franchises but we're in a day and age where films are made that don't really need to. I give JJ Abrams props for being the first person to make a good prequel in "Star Trek 2009". But aside from the money issue did we ever really need a Star Trek Kids? No we didn't. It's a good film (not great) but look what it could be leading to- more damn regurgitation with a "Not-A-Remake" featuring KHAN.

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In this day and age should we really settle for retreads of all out favorite series? I'm an avid proponent of doing something new and I guess I must be in the minority cause all people want is their favorite stories regurgitated with new effects.

Ask yourself for what valid reason does Eva need to be made live action? What reason? Hell, it wouldn't even be live action since the damn things would be 95% CG. You'd get actual props for maybe a hand or something but you'll still be dealing with an animated Eva. No more live action than what you got now. Instead of people looking for new stories to tell they want more James Bond. But to appear "fresh" they want him "new and edgy". Fuck that. It's James Bond a.la. Jason Bourne (which by the way, if they do a fourth film regardless of it's quality will be the moment the series nukes the fridge since there's no story left to tell).

People can argue 1000 different ways but no one has yet been able to supply one valid reason as to why Live Action Eva should be made. And no- "It's Cool" is not a valid argument. Only one I can come up with is UNORIGINALITY, MONEY, and "IT WORKED FOR TRANSFORMERS".
oh and the greedy need for more more MORE.



Now of course I'm fully aware I'm being hypocritical since my most looked forward to films of the past 3 years have been REMAKES of Evangelion. Are these Rebuild films unnecessary? In the scheme of things- YES. They're superfluous pleasures that say little and will achieve only monetary gain in the scheme of things. For these films to supplant NGE as true storytelling we're gonna need to see the sequels surpass The Godfather in terms of quality. (And trust me, that ain't gonna happen) It bugs me that I'm far more excited about a mostly superficial remake of Evangelion than I am say Gilliam's "Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus" but what can I say, I'm a fan.
And fans are a greedy bunch. We seem incapable of settling for a finality to our stories. We'll talk about being happy when Indy rides off into the sunset or Ripley throws herself into the fire or Batman finally learns he's queerer than a $3 bill and gives up crime fighting but we're not really. We want Indy to come back (As an old turd), we want Ripley resurrected (most people don't, they just want the Aliens to be diluted into a shadow of their former self) and we want Batman to keep pretending he's straight and not a Nazi sympathizer (which he undoubtably is). We want variations of the same stuff but we don't want them to be too different.

We're sitting here with unnecessary remakes of a genius television series that by all intents and purposes ended with END of Evangelion (and if you want a case of people never wanting a thing to end listen to the "Rebuild's a sequel bullshit) but we want even MORE unnecessary remakes. And why? Cause we're lazy and just want the same stuff repackaged as NEW.
(As a quick aside I accept a huge flaw is brought up in my argument by the mere mention of EOE cause it was brought on by fans urges for MORE Eva after Anno went all "it's not about the fan service" on people).

Agh! I gotta get off my soapbox. I'm sorry for the ranting. It just infuriates me that as people we're almost perpetually deemed to be lazy in what we like. Once we find something we latch onto the damn thing until it's a shadow of it's former self. I mean I'm counting down the days to a damn stupid Terminator 4. Instead of trying to make something new we repackage the old, throw some nifty camera angles or effects on it and call it ORIGINAL. It isn't. Instead of wanting to see people try and make new science fiction that is inspired by the stuff that came before we want to settle with the familiarity of a Star Trek Remake Series, another The Thing, more adaptations of toy lines, and a goddamn superfluous and ultimately unneeded Evangelion Live Action.
As I continue to ramble in this post which is sure to be moved I just want to say making films is one of the few popular dreams that seem viable in this day and age and as a filmmaker it pains me to see people launch on here and say they're dream is to Make Live Action Eva. Are we that creatively dead? That unoriginal? Instead of being inspired to make original works should I just dream about doing The Office:The Movie Remake?

Or should I pander around in more "Stripping Eva of what made it original so it can fit into a big opening weekend, an uninspired by the numbers trilogy, Entertainment Weekly spreads, and a chance to play forever on Spike TV"? Majority rules it seems.

I'm throwing my soapbox out. I've had a wonky weekend complete with family crises and I've officially spent far too long on this message board over the past 24 hours to avoid my dilemmas.

But humor me, I'd love to see one VALID reason for why an Evangelion film should be made? It can't be so it can play for a wider audience otherwise we might as well start painting Jesssica Alba and Megan Fox into Gustav Klimt's artwork for a more mainstream response.

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Postby Reichu » Mon May 18, 2009 6:57 pm

Timstuff wrote:And in Japan, they were called Apostles anyway

They were called both. English "Angel" appears all over the show. (And for the Japanese who miss THAT, the audience is told that the "Apostles" are named after angels at least twice, just to cement things a bit.)

@Gendo'sPapa: Some fans might always want MOAR, but some are happy with what they have. For my part, the only addition to the NGE franchise I ever wanted was a prequel OVA or something.

The constant repackaging of old franchises seems like an ailment of the times. Companies and consumers have gotten themselves into a self-sustaining loop. Presumably it'll give way to the next big thing sooner or later.
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Postby Gendo'sPapa » Mon May 18, 2009 7:28 pm

One hopes they move onto the next thing sooner rather than later.

Personally I saw and became inspired by Eva only 6 months before Rebuild was announced but I was and still am perfectly content with the TV series and EOE. If it ended there all the better.

It's because I'm a fan I'm anticipating the releases of these mostly pointless (but fun for a fan) Remakes. But do we really need to anticipate a third Visual narrative remaking of the same story? No. We don't.

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Postby THE Hal E. Burton 9000 » Mon May 18, 2009 9:42 pm

oOoOoOo wrote:Human sexuality has no place in mainstream American movies.
it may never have the same place as violence

but sex, albeit more often than not in a trivial and meaningless form, has and will always play a role in American cinema, despite what the moralistic critics have said since the medium was created

I've already said my piece ITT on a highly negative reaction by the public

@ GP, I admit I get annoyed sometimes at unoriginal entertainment, even if the material is something I actually kind of like including Eva, but IMO the only saving grace that a Live Action Eva would have is if it "sucked" it would get the uninitiated curious enough to go back and see the original TV series and EoE
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