Depressed from End of Evangelion

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Postby MagicianCamille [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:22 pm

Immortal Tech wrote:I realized that, but i think i became emotionally attached to the charachters some how, something i don't usually do. Especially Shinji, Asuka, and Misato. I relate and experience many of their emotions and problems in my own life, maybe you don't.

But thanks for the encouragement


Yeah I guess I get that way with some anime too, not with Eva though...except Pen Pen, but Pen Pen was the bird.

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 01:10 GMT

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Postby thewayneiac [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:22 pm

side_burn wrote:I find the series ending much more depressing than the movie's version of the end.

You see in the series ending Shinji just conforms on just about every level possible socially, spiritually even physically. In fact there is no difference between you and the other, no differences at all just one giant red puddle of bio goo.


Uh.... that's not correct; Shinji rejects instrumentallity in both endings.

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 03:27 GMT

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Postby R Kenshin [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

um.... okay what is end of evangelion about. I watched it and after Asuka's eva got ripped up (coolest part by the way. Probably best part) I was shocked and lost. I guess I just did not get the story line. Well if someone could sum up what happen then that would be great. Cuz when naked Rei grew a billion feet tall I was baffled. They my dad walked in and saw me looking at that and thought it was porn which lead to other things........ But please explain.

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 03:35 GMT

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Postby Magami No ER [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Look at the past threads for you're answers.(sorry about your dad walking in.... Image )

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 03:47 GMT

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Postby Onaa-Kenkaku [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Immortal Tech wrote:I just finished watching the movie a couple days ago and have yet to break out of a severe depression i've incurred from it. I haven't wanted to speak with any friends, or even my family, i've just been going through total reflection.

Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me?

I'm sure listening to the End of Evangelion them song, Air II over and over isn't helping, but its just such a beautiful song. Its like Anno lets you bond with these charachters over the series, and just takes them away from you in End of Evangelion. I know the world isn't supposed to be portrayed so disney and peachy, but this was the darkest **** i've ever seen in my life.


Happened to me but it was self reflection. If you're in depression I'd seek help. These are fictional characters. I've become attached to characters before and become emotional when they are lost but remember it's an anime and not real, it's a story that can help you if used right and you should just reflect, don't become like Shinji and shun people, that's what Anno was against, since he was sorting out his life while making the films. The characters aren't really gone, they're LCL and if they want to come back they can like Shinji did...but I know I'm being cold when I say this, but if they didn't want to live they are better off dead.

EoE is a very artfully thought out ending to an extraordinary series of events that play out the roles of characters that you come to know. I'll ask this though, would you have actually liked it more if it came out all happy? The loss of something just like the saying goes, "You never know what you have until you lose it.", the characters are taken for granted and when they are gone we get upset because we become uncomfortable with the change.

The psychology and sociological aspects of the series and ending films are oft times over thought. Really alot of the 'strange' aspects are just things thrown in that are thought to be taboo or something that could be seen as absurd in real life, such as /SPOILER/-------Rei being the clone of Shinji's mom and him having sexual attractions to her but even though she's a clone of Shinji's mom she ISN'T Shinji's mom, just a biological copy, yet she has her own personality which makes her completely different.

Others things like trying to find acceptance is just something everybody does without usually noticing it but when it's thrown in our face we see it for all that we couldn't before.

Sexuality is a aspect of humanity that has gone through so many stages they are probably uncountable and basically it's taboo to be spoken yet it's the single thing that keeps the human race from dying out, and that's reproduction. Yet we seem to connect it with something more because it's so rare to be spoken of these days, so it's connected in the series with affection, acceptance, self discovery and all of that, even though most of it is observed by fourteen year old children that are still going through puberty and don't even come close to understanding themselves or the world.

Basically what I grabbed is that even though you may think yourself small and insignificant you connect with many peoples lives in ways you do not understand (remember the 'Shinji in blah blahs mind over and over) that is you in that persons life, you impact them so it changes them. Your decisions are what shape your world and the ending basically gives Shinji a new start in a blank world where he can make it what he wants it to be without hindrence from anything, even Asuka which he shows dominance over when he's choking her, it's a weird way to show it but that was one of his final obstacles to over-come.

Holy crap I rambled...sorry if it's hard to read. Talking out your feelings is the best way to sort them out, because getting a view from all angles is better than a single angle. Image

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 03:52 GMT

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Postby Magami No ER [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

^Wow, what a nice, refreshing take on the ending. i enjoyed reading it. Image

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 03:57 GMT

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Postby shezaei_neko [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

I felt a bit depressed about it, just because one of my favorite melodies was used when one of my favorite characters was being killed.....
I almost cry, and I was down almost a week or so. But then I felt better. NO biggy.


Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 04:28 GMT

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Postby bjamieson [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Immortal Tech wrote:I just finished watching the movie a couple days ago and have yet to break out of a severe depression i've incurred from it. I haven't wanted to speak with any friends, or even my family, i've just been going through total reflection.

Has anyone else experienced this or is it just me?


I'll be totally honest and say you need to snap out of this. It's a film. That's it. When it comes down to it these are just cel and paint people. They're not real. None of it was. Yes, it's a disturbing film and depressing - but there are a lot more things to get worked up over than a film. You can't let it rule your life, or you've completely missed the point.

Want to see something more depressing? Watch Anno's 'Cutie Honey' live action film, and see just how far the mighty can fall.

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 06:05 GMT

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Postby Shin-seiki [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

bjamieson wrote:Want to see something more depressing? Watch Anno's 'Cutie Honey' live action film, and see just how far the mighty can fall.
The live action 'Cutie Honey" was kinda lame, but the animated Re. Cutie Honey rules!

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 12:18 GMT

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Postby side_burn [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

thewayneiac wrote:Uh.... that's not correct; Shinji rejects instrumentallity in both endings.

when dose he reject in the tv ending?

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 18:21 GMT

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Postby Mr. Tines [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Reichu wrote:There's a form of therapy for people who get depressed over anime. It starts with a "F" and ends with a "N", and there's "NF" in the middle.


You're right there Image But not to be knocked - it works.

For me, though, it was not so much depressed as shocked and emotionally drained - an object lesson in why even a Friendly Singularity would be terrifying to be present for, worse when a hard take-off aborts. And it pushed other personal twitch points with the GNR fragment impact events. As a denizen of the high-tech developed world, whatever was left seemed too much like the sort of thing that we all feared during the '80s - the post apocalyptic destruction of all civilization, a world that I personally wouldn't want to return to.

As an end, it was very much "Game Over" rather than "Happy ever after".

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 18:48 GMT

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Postby Reichu [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:You're right there Image But not to be knocked - it works.


Well, I was speaking from personal experience, so if I knock anybody for it, I'm also knocking myself.

And it pushed other personal twitch points with the GNR fragment impact events.


I do have to wonder if that is something we're really supposed to take very seriously... Is there any real evidence in "I Need You" that the creators took into account the "real-life effects" that SHOULD have occurred?

As an end, it was very much "Game Over" rather than "Happy ever after".


I thought it was more like, "The real fun has just begun."

Originally posted on: 17-Dec-2004, 08:29 GMT

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Postby Shin-seiki [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Reichu wrote:I thought it was more like, "The real fun has just begun."
There was a old thread on Japan.anime.evangelion about that very notion (alas, I haven't been able to dig it up; it been almost two years since I read it): the poster quoted a statement by someone connected with GAINAX (can't remember if it was Anno), to the effect that the point of the ending was that now Shinji and Asuka's real life adventure was about to commence; with the question being posed whether they had learned anything from what they had undergone that would help them survive the present situation they found themselves in...

Originally posted on: 17-Dec-2004, 08:57 GMT

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Postby Mr. Tines [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Reichu wrote:Quote: Quote:
And it pushed other personal twitch points with the GNR fragment impact events.


I do have to wonder if that is something we're really supposed to take very seriously... Is there any real evidence in "I Need You" that the creators took into account the "real-life effects" that SHOULD have occurred?

I did say it was a personal foible : the results of an in retrospect traumatic incident at age 10, when one of my teachers, a fellow SF enthusiast, showed me with pride the fact he'd made the cover story for the March 1966 issue of Analog, with a science-fact piece, "Giant Meteor Impact" - one of the earliest pieces that cranked the numbers and showed quite how messy the results even a small impactor could cause.

In the brief glimpse we get in "I Need You" of post-Impact Earth, all we really see in detail is a bit of scoured looking shore, and driftwood, plus the Eva-related artefacts, which are a bit "special case".

Reichu wrote:I thought it was more like, "The real fun has just begun."


The quotes that came to mind for me were, I'm afraid, "The living shall envy the dead" and "nasty, brutish and short". But I guess being brought up under the shadow of the mushroom cloud might do that to a body.

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 21:05 GMT

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Postby thewayneiac [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

thewayneiac wrote:Uh.... that's not correct; Shinji rejects instrumentallity in both endings.


side_burn wrote:when dose he reject in the tv ending?


It's made clear from the beginning that he hates it: "If there's no difference between me and everyone else, I don't exist!"

The alternate reality represents Shinji learning that he is capable of living a normal life.

At the end of the episode he's saying, "I wan't to be me!" You can't accept instrumentality by asserting your individuality.

The theater breaking and releasing the characters back under a blue sky is the same scene as the Black Moon shattering and releasing all of the soul back to earth.

Everything that happens in ep. 26 indicates that Shinji has learned he has value as an individual.

Originally posted on: 16-Dec-2004, 21:21 GMT

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Postby Solid-Snake [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Yea I got depressed after EoE especially after listening to "come sweet death"I think thats what its called,over and over agian untill I went crazy.

Originally posted on: 17-Dec-2004, 02:48 GMT

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Postby Hexon.Arq [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:23 pm

Quote: I thought it was more like, "The real fun has just begun."


The quotes that came to mind for me were, I'm afraid, "The living shall envy the dead" and "nasty, brutish and short". But I guess being brought up under the shadow of the mushroom cloud might do that to a body.

I chose to hear the whisper of, "That's all you need. Do what thou will."

Originally posted on: 18-Dec-2004, 00:49 GMT

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Postby Keisuke-kun [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:24 pm

Reichu wrote:There's a form of therapy for people who get depressed over anime. It starts with a "F" and ends with a "N", and there's "NF" in the middle.


Am I the only one whose lost on this statement?

When I finished EoE I was kinda shocked and saddened. Course first time I watched EoE was with really bad english subtitles done by some chinese person I think so I didn't get the whole thing. I was catatonic sorta for a week. Then I bought the english one when it came out and watched it everyday or so for like a year and a half.....literally....

Originally posted on: 18-Dec-2004, 12:23 GMT

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Postby Mr. Tines [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:24 pm

Keisuke-kun wrote:Am I the only one whose lost on this statement?


[Hint]Fill in the blanks: f _ nf _ _ _ _ _n[/Hint]


Keisuke-kun wrote:Then I bought the english one when it came out and watched it everyday or so for like a year and a half.....literally....


I suppose desensitization via habituation is one response.

Originally posted on: 18-Dec-2004, 12:42 GMT

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Postby Keisuke-kun [ANF] » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:24 pm

[QUOTE=Mr. Tines][Hint]Fill in the blanks: f _ nf _ _ _ _ _n[/Hint]



funformoon? Im kinda slow sometimes......

Originally posted on: 19-Dec-2004, 02:30 GMT


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