Asuka & Shinji - Become one with me?
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The scene happens right after the sandbox sequence during the Pre-3rd Impact weird Instrumentality thing, the first shot is a super pissed off (naked) Asuka screaming at Shinji about how pissed off she is, then a shot of Shinji underneath her saying that it's because she's just like him.
Groundwork scans:
Note how the first sketch has her clearly on top of him and the word "Sex".
Originally posted on: 11-Feb-2008, 23:29 GMT
Groundwork scans:
Note how the first sketch has her clearly on top of him and the word "Sex".
Originally posted on: 11-Feb-2008, 23:29 GMT
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It's possible, and its certainly an interesting point but this scene seems to me just like the the one where Shinji strangles Asuka then segways right in to instrumentality (not the scene at the end.) Its another possibility of what would of came between the two. Where the strangling scene would represent a more clear and radical genuine care mistaken for selfish love (On both parts) ending in violence (Once again in both parts), the 'sex' scene represents a progressed (In that they liked each other enough to do it) but now is pretty shallow or has some clear issues.
Edit: Ornette can you link the thread ? sounds interesting.
Originally posted on: 12-Feb-2008, 00:08 GMT
Edit: Ornette can you link the thread ? sounds interesting.
Originally posted on: 12-Feb-2008, 00:08 GMT
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what do you call selfish love? u love somebody because he is useful to you?SPARTAN117CJL wrote:It's possible, and its certainly an interesting point but this scene seems to me just like the the one where Shinji strangles Asuka then segways right in to instrumentality (not the scene at the end.) Its another possibility of what would of came between the two. Where the strangling scene would represent a more clear and radical genuine care mistaken for selfish love (On both parts) ending in violence (Once again in both parts), the 'sex' scene represents a progressed (In that they liked each other enough to do it) but now is pretty shallow or has some clear issues.
Edit: Ornette can you link the thread ? sounds interesting.
Originally posted on: 12-Feb-2008, 00:30 GMT
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Selfish love can mean a number of things I think. It could be actually loving yourself so much that you marry someone to enhance your own reputation or status, It can be a number of things but the basic idea is that you don't truly love the other person you are just using them to your own benefit and/or convincing yourself that you love them in order to comfort yourself. Thats basically what Asuka is accusing Shinji of, She thinks that Shinji is coming to her because he can't deal with Misato or Rei anymore. Thats why she got so angry at him.nikokapo wrote:what do you call selfish love? u love somebody because he is useful to you?
Originally posted on: 12-Feb-2008, 00:46 GMT
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@SPARTAN117CJL
Started as a joke here: http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3123
Then some later discussion about it here: http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3994
Originally posted on: 12-Feb-2008, 01:01 GMT
Started as a joke here: http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3123
Then some later discussion about it here: http://www.evageeks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3994
Originally posted on: 12-Feb-2008, 01:01 GMT
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Do you have English translations of the text written along with 'sex'? I mean, it could be something like "Intended to make it look like they're having sex, but they just talk about good old times." Well, the last part sounds a bit silly, but you got the idea.Ornette wrote:The scene happens right after the sandbox sequence during the Pre-3rd Impact weird Instrumentality thing, the first shot is a super pissed off (naked) Asuka screaming at Shinji about how pissed off she is, then a shot of Shinji underneath her saying that it's because she's just like him.
Groundwork scans:
Note how the first sketch has her clearly on top of him and the word "Sex".
Originally posted on: 15-Feb-2008, 07:03 GMT
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I'm pretty sure the writing just describes what the scene is supposed to look like, specifically, the notable details, perhaps for the animators. I'm sure it's not saying that they were actually having sex. I don't know what the text says, but 上 = above.
EDIT: got someone to look at this, funny stuff:
LEFT of the #26 in larger characters: "excuse me for greeting you naked"
Underneath that along the very bottom: "hearing you say that sort of thing makes me wither".... (could be interpreted at weak in the knees?... or something more appropriate to English expressions
The line with the word 'sex': "I'm told this is an image of having sex using the horse position"
(LOL)
Originally posted on: 15-Feb-2008, 20:52 GMT
EDIT: got someone to look at this, funny stuff:
LEFT of the #26 in larger characters: "excuse me for greeting you naked"
Underneath that along the very bottom: "hearing you say that sort of thing makes me wither".... (could be interpreted at weak in the knees?... or something more appropriate to English expressions
The line with the word 'sex': "I'm told this is an image of having sex using the horse position"
(LOL)
Originally posted on: 15-Feb-2008, 20:52 GMT
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^^Thanks for the info It's really interesting that Asuka was intended to act in a lot different way than she does in actual movie (considering the first line is said by Asuka, she talks like she is ashamed of being exposed to Shinji.) But I think those lines alone are still not enough to tell if they, well, got it on throughout the series. Gotta dig them some other time.
EDIT: Wondering if you guys consider those groundworks as canonical stuff. I just found some other pages but most of them don't really seem reliable to me..
(lol'd hard at the horse part)
Originally posted on: 15-Feb-2008, 21:13 GMT
EDIT: Wondering if you guys consider those groundworks as canonical stuff. I just found some other pages but most of them don't really seem reliable to me..
(lol'd hard at the horse part)
Originally posted on: 15-Feb-2008, 21:13 GMT
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I wonder if it's possible they actually had sex not too soon after Kaji was killed and when Rei was in the hospital? That would be the only window of opportunity. If they actually DID have sex then why was Shinji's mindtrip to Misato having sex with Kaji like a bad shock to him?It's possible, and its certainly an interesting point but this scene seems to me just like the the one where Shinji strangles Asuka then segways right in to instrumentality (not the scene at the end.) Its another possibility of what would of came between the two. Where the strangling scene would represent a more clear and radical genuine care mistaken for selfish love (On both parts) ending in violence (Once again in both parts), the 'sex' scene represents a progressed (In that they liked each other enough to do it) but now is pretty shallow or has some clear issues.
Originally posted on: 04-Mar-2008, 04:02 GMT
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that was because he didnt know THAT side of Misato, as he said (or sth like this) "does Misato like to do 'these' things?"LinaLoN wrote:I wonder if it's possible they actually had sex not too soon after Kaji was killed and when Rei was in the hospital? That would be the only window of opportunity. If they actually DID have sex then why was Shinji's mindtrip to Misato having sex with Kaji like a bad shock to him?
Originally posted on: 04-Mar-2008, 05:39 GMT
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why?Dektra wrote:Maybe Asuka is just a really bad root?
i've never thought of her as a bad root or an insensitive and annoying woman (in some cases she acts as a girl but thats pretty normal). she's ego driven, so what? but it's not like Asuka bothered Shinji or Misato. in fact, both of em liked her (Shinji really did and Misato just cared for her).
Originally posted on: 14-Mar-2008, 16:19 GMT
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