Final scene in 1.0

**Reichu** · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:22 am Post subject:

This thread isn't a Sequel Theory Fan Listing, folks.

UrsusArctos wrote:

Nothing too surprising about the ears. Lilith has "ears" of a sort in both instances.

Lilith doesn't have a core, though... (And, for whatever it's worth -- perhaps not much in Rebuild terms -- I've never seen the Evas depicted with the little ear flaps.)

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Lucretius · Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:36 am Post subject:

...guess this would be a bad place to announce the launch of the bi-weekly Sequel Theory newsletter.

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In response to the OP: I can guarantee you that, by the time you've finished watching the second movie, your questions will have been either answered or dwarfed by MUCH bigger questions.

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RockManBalls wrote:

There is a 90% chance that he's talking about Shinji being the third one based on the context. I hold a 10% chance in my mind that he's referring to the white giant in front of him based on the fact that he uses the phrase "三番目," which is interchangeable with the numbering of the Angels (I think...). It just sounds slightly awkward and mechanical in the Japanese that he cares/knows who was the first, second, or third child(ren) whatever, or why it's worth saying it like that. I mean, how many times have you referred to a friend of yours as "the third one?" I dunno, I'm rambling.

I think it is most likely Shinji. (Sequel thory)

possibly mid sentence switch between Lilith/Shinji/Keel

maybe Lars Keel

Unlikely, he could be talking to Sachiel, but Sachiel is irrelevant
THis could happen semanticly because the angels are not friends, they are competing just like us. We just happen to have adam.

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**Reichu** · Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject:

Viethra wrote:

maybe Lars Keel

Who? Is he a relative of Owen?

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Unlikely, he could be talking to Sachiel, but Sachiel is irrelevant

If Sachiel is irrelevant, why'd you bring him up?

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Joseph the PRPD · Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:34 am Post subject:

Obviously when he mentions the third he means Shinji.

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Don't say "obviously" too soon.

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Viethra wrote:

RockManBalls wrote:

There is a 90% chance that he's talking about Shinji being the third one based on the context. I hold a 10% chance in my mind that he's referring to the white giant in front of him based on the fact that he uses the phrase "三番目," which is interchangeable with the numbering of the Angels (I think...). It just sounds slightly awkward and mechanical in the Japanese that he cares/knows who was the first, second, or third child(ren) whatever, or why it's worth saying it like that. I mean, how many times have you referred to a friend of yours as "the third one?" I dunno, I'm rambling.

I think it is most likely Shinji. (Sequel thory)

possibly mid sentence switch between Lilith/Shinji/Keel

maybe Lars Keel

Unlikely, he could be talking to Sachiel, but Sachiel is irrelevant
THis could happen semanticly because the angels are not friends, they are competing just like us. We just happen to have adam.

I think your right about that!! (Source: Internets.)

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Oedipusfoot · Ireul Joined: 17 Jan 2009

Wait a minute, here. Kaworu on the moon from Rebuild addressed Shinji as 'Ikari Shinji-Kun' instead of what he called Shinji in episode 24, which was 'Shinji-Kun.' So, does this mean that the Kaworu on the moon is not the same one as the Kaworu in episode 24, because the change in the addressing signifies a change in relationship? But if it isn't, how was the Rebuild-Kaworu familiar with Shinji? He even said, 'you haven't changed at all,' and he definitely wasn't referring to the 'moon giant,' which lay incoherent in a pit. Maybe the Kaworu clones are all the same being?

I do have a feeling that Rebuild-Kaworu isn't the same one as episode 24-Kaworu (before he was killed). I mean that I think EoE already happened because there is a huge stain of blood on the moon (from Rei/Lilith's neck). So, loop theory!!! Loop theory!!!

When Kaworu ended his talk with 'Ikari Shinji-Kun' and looked up at the earth, he had the look on his face of one who is reminiscing.

Or, why did Kaworu add on 'Ikari', then?

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Possibly pure formality, as he hasn't yet actually "met" Shinji despite his memories. It's rude to call someone by their first name without their permission, which Episode 24 Shinji did, and Rebuild Shinji has yet to do so.

Jinroh · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject:

If it's a sequel, of course he's not the same "Kaworu", because he once died by Shinji's hands. Remember Rei? Each version is different, even though they share the same soul and memories.

It will be interesting to see how different he is from the Kaworu we already know from classic Evangelion, and what his purpose is. He might not have the same ambitions/objectives. And it would be very disappointing if Anno kills him the way he did in Eva.

Oedipusfoot · Ireul Joined: 17 Jan 2009

But if it is a different Kaworu, the storyline would be changed dramatically. But why would it be a different one if the Rebuild movies are just sequels? I'm just thinking that Shinji could have created multiple universes, or just restarted the world, though certain aspects of EoE remain because he wasn't aware of them existing (like the moon bloodstain). Actually, I shouldn't have brought this up because one could say a million things and its all just speculation anyway. I guess we will have to wait for the next movies!

**Ornette** · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject:

If this is supposed to be a sequel (not something I advocate) and Kaworu is the same Kaworu from the series, a change in relationship would be indicated if he used the honorific "san".

I'll go ahead an add that the nuances of Japanese honorifics in general is a mystery to me. I've been told I was insulting someone for using an honorific when it seemed perfectly fine. Changing an honorific attached to someone has subtext that can range anywhere from "i like you" to "you're a fucking idiot".

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Oedipusfoot · Ireul Joined: 17 Jan 2009

Ikari Shinji-Kun is different from Shinji Kun, though, isn't it? More formal?

**Reichu** · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:37 pm Post subject:

Oedipusfoot wrote:

Wait a minute, here. Kaworu on the moon from Rebuild addressed Shinji as 'Ikari Shinji-Kun' instead of what he called Shinji in episode 24, which was 'Shinji-Kun.'

Episode 24 wrote:

KAWORU:
Singing is great. Singing enriches the soul.
It's the crowning achievement of the civilization that the Lilin created.
Don't you feel the same, Ikari Shinji-kun?

SHINJI:
My name...

KAWORU:
Everyone knows your name. I don't mean to be rude,
but I think you should be a little more aware of your position.

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asukafan11 · Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject:

if it is a core, then the moon giant could be unit 06 without the armor, right?

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Oedipusfoot · Ireul Joined: 17 Jan 2009

Reichu: The only thing about the quote you offered was that 'Ikari Shinji-Kun' was only used once by Kaworu to address Shinji in episode 24. It was customary to do so. After that, he switched over to plain 'Shinji-Kun,' more famililiar but less formal, for the rest of the episode.

Asukafan11: I don't think an expensive Eva would be buried on the moon--there is no point to that. An Eva wouldn't merit a special SEELE facemask.

**Reichu** · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:38 pm Post subject:

Oedipusfoot wrote:

Reichu: The only thing about the quote you offered was that 'Ikari Shinji-Kun' was only used once by Kaworu to address Shinji in episode 24.

And in 1.0, the exact same thing is used by Kaworu, once, to address somebody who isn't even there.

I'd posit that it's more strange (i.e., creepy) for Rebuild-Kaworu to be using -kun already, in talking about someone he apparently hasn't met yet ("I look forward to meeting you..."), than to be saying the person's full name......

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Oedipusfoot · Ireul Joined: 17 Jan 2009

I always here people say that Kaworu said "I'm looking forward to meeting you again," so I guess that isn't true. So, you are saying that the Rebuild Kaworu is the same one as in episode 24, and since there is no loop theory action in Rebuild, he simply addressed Shinji as 'Ikari Shinji-Kun' because he never met him. This would be all clear if that blood stain on the moon didn't exist.

So by SEELE, Kaworu was supposed to meet Shinji like he did in the manga?

Do you know if anyone has typed up the English Rebuild 1.0 script? There were scenes (such as the Kaworu moon scene) that I didn't understand because they were new. I wouldn't have been as confused if I knew what Kaworu was actually saying...Though thanks for clearing things up a little.

**Reichu** · Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject:

The dialogue at the end of the movie is really vague and there isn't much context to work with. You'll hear different translations accordingly. It's worth noting that some of the early 1.01 subtitles, which you might have heard folks paraphrasing, left something to be desired.

Both of the decent-end SRTs that I have here, however, pass on having Kaworu meet Shinji "again". (Can't upload them for you at the moment, though.)

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