I think the translation "make a man who was like a God himself" definitely assumes too much. (Man
Literally, the sentence in question comes out like, "And from Adam, God [or "a god"] was copied/imitated and a human was made. That was Eva."
It seems to mean the samething to me.
The first one is saying that a human was made that was like a God.
The second one is saying that God was copied to create a human.
Perhaps the second one is closer to the truth.... God made humans in his own image. Humans made Eva in Adam's image. If Adam is truely a God, then indeed on a biblical level, Eva's are human.
Reichu wrote:I'm still not quite sure why they refer to the Evas as "human" right off the bat, since they're obviously different from us on a biological level. Unless their genomes are a composite of Adam and regular humans, Evas would have no more in common with Lilim-humans than an Angel (and, by extension of that, Adam itself). So if you're going to call the Evas "human", you'd have to call all of the Angels "human" as well... Although I suppose that's basically what Misato does in #25'.
"Yes. Although composed of a different form of matter, their actual composition in terms of the arrangement and coordinates of the pattern is a 99.89% match to ours."
- Ritsuko, Episode 6
As early as Episode six was the idea that humans and the angels aren't that differnt was introduced.
"They plan to initiate Third Impact - not with Angels, but by using the Eva series.
15 years ago, Second Impact was caused by humans on purpose.
(Flashed shot: Second Impact)
But that was in order to minimize the damage by returning Adam (flashed image: Giant of Light) to an embryonic state (flashed image: Embryo in attache case) before the other Angels awoke.
(flashed image: graves)
Shinji, we humans were born from a being called Lilith, who is the source of life just like Adam. We are the 18th Angel. (flashed image: DNA) The other Angels are possibilities of what we might have become - humans that gave up human form. (flashed image: Kaworu - Rei)
Sadly, we had to reject each other - even though we're all human...
Listen, Shinji... You must destroy all of the Eva series. It's the only
way to stay alive."
- Misato, Episode 25'
And here is the Misato quote that you mentioned. It mentions both Adam and Lillith as "Sources of life"
This sugjests that not only are the Evangelions Human, but all the angels are. created by Adam and Lillith. Beings who can be considered "Gods" because they have created life.
Reichu wrote:As far as your nitpick about what Ritsuko said implying that EVA-01 is not technically a "god"... "Sore ga EVA" refers back to her previous sentence, which was in the PAST TENSE. In episode #21, SEELE effectively says that EVA-01 has become a god by assimilating the S^2.
But, really, when I said they throw around the term "god" haphazardly, I meant it. The type of "god" that EVA-01 becomes is evidently defined as a being that has both the Fruit of Life and the Fruit of Knowledge. But "Adam" was branded a "god" as well, even though he only had one Fruit. Is it just me, or is there a problem here?
The fruit of life and knowledge could of always have been part of the Evangelion. Because they were created from Adam, and yet they have a human soul. Why Eva was branded a God after he took in the S^2, I don't know it could be many reasons. It could be because its now uncontrolable, it could be because it has become self-aware.
Adam on the other hand really can be classified as a God, because it created life and holds the tree of life. Lillith can also be classified as a God for the same reason.
Honestly I have always believed that the being that holds the Tree of life and Knowledge is the only being that can be called a "God" This being might of split at the begingin of time to create Adam and lillith. So in the ultimate sence God is only seen in 26', never before. All others are only interpratations of what a God must be. Based on seele saying that Yui became a God just by taken in the S^2 engine can't be true. Because then all the angels would be considered a God. Saying that it only had the Fruit of Life and Knowledge at that point is more possible, but it could of always had both. Remember it is designed on Adam, with a Lillim soul.Originally posted on: 13-Jun-2004, 21:08 GMT