What are the "Adams"?

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Re: What are the "Adams"?

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Postby ArvisTaljik » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:11 am

View Original PostReichu wrote:In that case, "Eva" and "Adam" are basically the same thing. 13 is -- in the same way presumably 01 and 06 are -- an Adam that was repurposed into an Eva. It's speculated currently that 01, 06, and 13 were three Adams whose bodies remained intact after Second Impact, just in a sort of "burnt-out" state that requires the power of an Angel in order to be restored to its former glory. The fourth Adam may have been mostly lost, in a similar manner as the original Adam from NGE, the Key of Nebuchadnezzar being all that remains of it.


I guess what people consider "awakened" must differ because it looks to me like Unit 01 awakens in 2.0 purely based on Shinji's will alone. This is based upon the Gate of Guf (red rings) opening prior to Shinji pulling Rei out of Zeruel's core and subsequent core absorbtion.

If we're counting Bardiel as the absorbed angel within Unit 01, then the question becomes why didn't it awaken immediately upon it (Dummy Plug) deciding to eat Bardiel/Unit 03? By contrast, Unit 13 seems to fully awaken immediately after chowing down on the 12th Angel's core.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:52 am

It's easy to miss, but Eva-01 absorbs an Angel at the end of Ha:

(1) Eva-01 pulls Eva-00's core out of the 10th Angel's core.
(2) 10th Angel's core ruptures.
(3) 10th Angel turns into LCL.
(4) The LCL reforms into a giant LCL Rei around Eva-00's core.
(5) The LCL Rei / Core combo fuse into Eva-01.

Resulting in:

(6) Eva-01 becomes a Radiant Giant.

Now, true that there is a Rei/Lilith element present -- but this is the case for Eva-13 as well. The 12th Angel is sloshing around in (quite possibly absorbing) Lilith's LCL, and it takes on Rei's form as well.

You're correct that Eva-01 technically begins the process of awakening when it reactivates. We won't know until the Q CRC comes out when exactly Eva-13 began the process (i.e., if it goes straight to fully pseudoevolved immediately upon eating the 12th, or if Shinji "possessing" it before that counts as the first stage).

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Postby ArvisTaljik » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:36 pm

Reichu wrote:You're correct that Eva-01 technically begins the process of awakening when it reactivates. We won't know until the Q CRC comes out when exactly Eva-13 began the process (i.e., if it goes straight to fully pseudoevolved immediately upon eating the 12th, or if Shinji "possessing" it before that counts as the first stage).


I'd say it's more likely that Shinji himself is the initial impetus for the awakenings for two reasons:
  • (1) Shinji's will seemed to be the only thing required for Unit 01 to open the Gates of Guf BEFORE Zeruel's core was ever absorbed and
  • (2) This seems to fit better with how the entirety of the Wunder treats him in Q, in that they believe he himself is a danger because of what he's capable of by himself.

Yay/nay? Does this make sense?
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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:49 pm

Oh, no doubt about it, Shinji himself is capable of triggering Evas into an awakened state. He's called an Impact trigger for a reason.

But to go back to my earlier point: Shinji by himself isn't capable of restoring an Adam!Eva to its Radiant Giant state. Absorbing an Angel is required for that. I'm unclear what part Lilith's "factor" plays in things, so, setting that aside, the following explanation is possible:

We saw that, at Second Impact, the Adams were all in Radiant Giant state. Something happened involving the Spears to stop or suspend Second Impact. Three of the Adams seem to have physically survived, albeit in a "burnt out" state; but they are capable of "pseudoevolving" back into Radiant Giant form via a combination of (A) having the right soul linked to their core via entry plug, and (B) absorbing an Angel, a being with the Fruit of Life. (B) seems to indicate that the Adams lost their Fruits of Life somehow, and are able to get them back from Angels. What about the soul part, though? It's been suspected for some time that the Eva pilots (minus Rei) actually have the Adams' souls. With Kaworu, this is practically a certainty, because, well, Kaworu; but Shinji's weird "Impact trigger" status can be readily explained if he has an Adam's soul. It's quite possible that the same holds for Asuka and Mari, and that they must also wear chokers because of it. (A production illustration by Yamashita shows Asuka, at least, clearly wearing a collar of some sort.)

The final piece of the puzzle here is the Adams' Vessels. Eva Mark.09 is, according to its full designation, only one of them -- iow, there are others that have existed or still do exist. "Vessel" is utsuwa, which means "container". The only other time (that I know of) that this term is used in NTE is in the Explanation of Eva 1.01, where the entry plug is termed the "Vessel for a Soul" (that of the pilot's). Mark.09's true form is that of a polymorphic core, and cores are things that contain souls. You can maybe see where this is going. The Adams' Vessels are probably the disembodied cores of the Adams, separated from their bodies in order to bring Second Impact to an end. This would have separated the Adams' bodies from both their souls and their Fruits of Life, explaining why they need to regain both in order to be "repowered". This also means that the Adams' Vessels and the Vessels for Souls (= Entry Plugs) are different containers for the same things.


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