Gendo's death scene in EoE wear he admits why he abandoned Shinji, does it in your mind make up for what he's done to his son, and others?
If you were Shinji would you forgive him ?
My answer to follow I want to know what you people think first.
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That's another reason why i like EoE..it shows an aspect of Gendo's personality which has not revealed in the series..
if i were Shinji and listened to what he said i'd sure forgive him..he seems to be weak-weak Gendo what a surprise!-but that's it that makes it more "touching" as he confess his feelings..and it's Shinji's father too...and it seems that in the end he truly did care afterall...
if i were Shinji and listened to what he said i'd sure forgive him..he seems to be weak-weak Gendo what a surprise!-but that's it that makes it more "touching" as he confess his feelings..and it's Shinji's father too...and it seems that in the end he truly did care afterall...
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Well time for me to chime in.
No, I don't feel that a deathbed confession make up for all the things Gendo did during his life. Some times " I'm sorry" just isn't enough. Gendo was a husband and parent it was his responsibility to take care of Shinji. Even if he didn't want Shinji around personally he at the very least owed it to his wife's memory to see there raised in a caring environment. Gendo may have been one of the most powerful men in the world be as a father he was a failure.
If I were Shinji I would not forgive Gendo, but I would hope he could come to understand why his father did what he did and avoid making the same mistakes in his own life.
No, I don't feel that a deathbed confession make up for all the things Gendo did during his life. Some times " I'm sorry" just isn't enough. Gendo was a husband and parent it was his responsibility to take care of Shinji. Even if he didn't want Shinji around personally he at the very least owed it to his wife's memory to see there raised in a caring environment. Gendo may have been one of the most powerful men in the world be as a father he was a failure.
If I were Shinji I would not forgive Gendo, but I would hope he could come to understand why his father did what he did and avoid making the same mistakes in his own life.
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DatDude wrote:Gendo's death scene in EoE wear he admits why he abandoned Shinji, does it in your mind make up for what he's done to his son, and others?
If you were Shinji would you forgive him ?
My answer to follow I want to know what you people think first.
I'd prefer to believe in what Washi told Rakka in the Western Woods in Haibane Renmei-"To recognize one's own sin is to have no sin."
Now, as to whether or not Shinji would forgive him...I don't know. It's impossible to say.
If I were Shinji, I might forgive him...but are we talking the anime Shinji or the manga Shinji? If I were the manga Shinji I don't think I could because I heard that Toji dies in the manga.
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Think about it. This is Gendou we're talking about. :shock: To hear him appologise like that, I'd forgive him any day. And we know he's not bluffing, either. He was going to die-ish.
I'm not exactly sure of the meaning of psuedo-Unit-01 eating him, though. :? Self-inflicted penance, no? The real Unit-01 was in the sky, so I guess he must be imagining having his head bitten off.
He's explained his actions, he asked for forgiveness. He lost the best wife in the world (Yui is seriously the best mother I've ever seen aside from ditching her son to his father - if it was intentional). He goes slightly psychotic, which he disguises very well as bastardity. He got a psuedo-bitch-slap from Rei. He lost a hand. He lost two pairs of glasses. He lost his AT-Field.
It's all good. Gendou is the best father in the world if it weren't for everything he did in the past - if it was intentional.
As for Shinji, I'll think about it.
I'm not exactly sure of the meaning of psuedo-Unit-01 eating him, though. :? Self-inflicted penance, no? The real Unit-01 was in the sky, so I guess he must be imagining having his head bitten off.
He's explained his actions, he asked for forgiveness. He lost the best wife in the world (Yui is seriously the best mother I've ever seen aside from ditching her son to his father - if it was intentional). He goes slightly psychotic, which he disguises very well as bastardity. He got a psuedo-bitch-slap from Rei. He lost a hand. He lost two pairs of glasses. He lost his AT-Field.
It's all good. Gendou is the best father in the world if it weren't for everything he did in the past - if it was intentional.
As for Shinji, I'll think about it.
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I always thought that Yui didn't want anything to do with Gendo during that scene. The moment he was reunited with her, she doesn't seem to care. Is it possible that she didn't want him anymore? After all, he's a bit of a sadist and a murderer too. Shinji may forgive him, but I don't believe humanity should.
Yui was... I don't know. Maybe it was all happening in his head, or maybe not. If that was her, then she was enlightened, right? Yui seems to be like that a lot. :P She was smiling. She was smiling because... she is seeing Gendou coming to terms with himself, right? It didn't seem like "Oh, we haven't seen each other for years, eh? How are you?" It was like they already had the greetings and all and it's "Now let's get down to business." She was smiling because... she was happy to see him again? In any case, Yui didn't seem to not like him anymore. I know! Since her soul is still up in Unit-01, the Yui entity was just a decoy. 
You know, forget it.
Gendou was just apologising to Shinji, so there'd be no reason for humanity to forgive him. :P
You know, forget it.Gendou was just apologising to Shinji, so there'd be no reason for humanity to forgive him. :P
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DatDude wrote:I never could, he failed Shinji and betrayed Yui's memory by not seeing that he was at least raised in a loving envroment.
This is why I could never forgive him, and I also would doubt his apology. The guy has made a life out of deceiving people, and even on his death bed you would have the nagging thought of did he really mean it or was he just acting?
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I would find it very, very, veryveryvery hard to forgive Gendou (if I were Shinji). For one thing, look at all the shit he's put his son through all throughout his life. He's been cold and detached (not just to Shinji, but to pretty much everyone), and then when the world's about to end, he finally admits that he's been a prick.
Um?! That's probably not the best time to be apologizing for your rotten behavior, just because you were afraid you'd be hurt. I mean, Shinji became practically suicidal, due in part to Gendou.
So, no. I wouldn't forgive him. Although I would give him a nice little pat on the back for, as Gilgamesh cited from Haibane Renmei (awesome anime, BTW ;)), recognizing that he had sinned, but still... I wouldn't forgive him.
Um?! That's probably not the best time to be apologizing for your rotten behavior, just because you were afraid you'd be hurt. I mean, Shinji became practically suicidal, due in part to Gendou.
So, no. I wouldn't forgive him. Although I would give him a nice little pat on the back for, as Gilgamesh cited from Haibane Renmei (awesome anime, BTW ;)), recognizing that he had sinned, but still... I wouldn't forgive him.
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