Concerning legal copyright status -- important
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Concerning legal copyright status -- important
An important matter is copyright for the site.
Many of the biggest "online encyclopedia wikis" are owned directly by the MediaWiki foundation: Wookiepedia (Star Wars), Memory Alpha (Star Trek), and Halopedia.
These are technically owned by the MediaWiki Foundation (Wikia) and use the "GNU FDL" license.
Some other ones like Lostpedia or HeroesWiki are not owned by the MediaWiki Foundation, but use the "Creative Commons" license. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_License
Legally speaking though, I don't think even the "Creative Commons" license is what we want.
Currently, the Evapedia/FGP lists it as functioning under the GNU FDL license-->this isn't a "copyright", this is "copyleft" crap: it allows people to reuse content from this site FOR FREE. FOR FREE.
Legally thinking I think the Evapedia and Greater Fan Geeks Project should all be the copyrighted intellectual property owned specifically by Rachel Clark and Aaron Clark, who host the damned site. Enough of this wikipedia share and share alike bullcrap. For example, TheOneRing.net is actually OWNED by specific people (Tehanu and Xoanon, etc.)
MediaWiki is simply a tool we loaded to build a better site, but it should not change the copyright status of this material.
If ever we want to....I dunno, collect all of the essays we write on the site about Eva and publish them as a book called "The People's Guide to Evangelion"...we need to have everything copyrighted exclusively. (Hey, it's worked for TheOneRing.net when they wrote the People's Guide to J.R.R. Tolkien)
Many of the biggest "online encyclopedia wikis" are owned directly by the MediaWiki foundation: Wookiepedia (Star Wars), Memory Alpha (Star Trek), and Halopedia.
These are technically owned by the MediaWiki Foundation (Wikia) and use the "GNU FDL" license.
Some other ones like Lostpedia or HeroesWiki are not owned by the MediaWiki Foundation, but use the "Creative Commons" license. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_License
Legally speaking though, I don't think even the "Creative Commons" license is what we want.
Currently, the Evapedia/FGP lists it as functioning under the GNU FDL license-->this isn't a "copyright", this is "copyleft" crap: it allows people to reuse content from this site FOR FREE. FOR FREE.
Legally thinking I think the Evapedia and Greater Fan Geeks Project should all be the copyrighted intellectual property owned specifically by Rachel Clark and Aaron Clark, who host the damned site. Enough of this wikipedia share and share alike bullcrap. For example, TheOneRing.net is actually OWNED by specific people (Tehanu and Xoanon, etc.)
MediaWiki is simply a tool we loaded to build a better site, but it should not change the copyright status of this material.
If ever we want to....I dunno, collect all of the essays we write on the site about Eva and publish them as a book called "The People's Guide to Evangelion"...we need to have everything copyrighted exclusively. (Hey, it's worked for TheOneRing.net when they wrote the People's Guide to J.R.R. Tolkien)
Who is "Codename V"?....
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Neither Aaron nor I want to have the burden of "ownership" for this thing. An organization is to be created specifically for the project, and it would be the honorary holder of copyrights and such. (The matter of who represents the organization at any given time and blah blah blah is something else.) I haven't looked into exactly how to go about officially creating an organization/foundation, so, if someone else wants to save me the trouble...
Legal mumbojumbo regarding the copyrights of all those other people (Gainax, Khara, etc.) and our justification for using their properties needs to be implemented, too.
Legal mumbojumbo regarding the copyrights of all those other people (Gainax, Khara, etc.) and our justification for using their properties needs to be implemented, too.
さらば、全てのEvaGeeks。
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Re: Concerning legal copyright status -- important
V wrote:Currently, the Evapedia/FGP lists it as functioning under the GNU FDL license-->this isn't a "copyright", this is "copyleft" crap: it allows people to reuse content from this site FOR FREE. FOR FREE.
Enough of this wikipedia share and share alike bullcrap.
Your delusions of grandeur are becoming intolerable.
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Creative Commons is just GFDL with added clarification on certain materials. Everything (except Wikipedia) that is part of the Mediawiki Foundation is exactly GFDL (MediaWiki Foundation is not a copyright holder). As for TOR.NET, the only copyright notice I see on the site is this: "Design and original photography however are copyright © 1999-2007", which means the content itself is not copyrighted, only the website design and original photography. Not using a copyleft would mean we can't have ANY screenshots, translations, transcripts, etc. We can't use free-use if we intend to copyright the contents here.
As for essays, there's nothing stopping us from creating a separate copyright notice (aside from the one I already wrote up for mediawiki) that states it's copyrighted under the original author and does not fall under free-use or the GFDL.
As for essays, there's nothing stopping us from creating a separate copyright notice (aside from the one I already wrote up for mediawiki) that states it's copyrighted under the original author and does not fall under free-use or the GFDL.
I'm simply worried about people stealing stuff from the site.
[vader]I find your lack of faith disturbing[/vader]
BobBQ wrote:V wrote:Currently, the Evapedia/FGP lists it as functioning under the GNU FDL license-->this isn't a "copyright", this is "copyleft" crap: it allows people to reuse content from this site FOR FREE. FOR FREE.
Enough of this wikipedia share and share alike bullcrap.
Your delusions of grandeur are becoming intolerable.
[vader]I find your lack of faith disturbing[/vader]
Who is "Codename V"?....
I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game...so catch me if you can!! (0:50)
"Superior ability breeds superior ambition" -- Spock, Star Trek TOS episode 1.24 "Space Seed"
You say you say you want a REvolution?...
-->It was only after I lost everything, that I realized: I was free to do anything...
I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game...so catch me if you can!! (0:50)
"Superior ability breeds superior ambition" -- Spock, Star Trek TOS episode 1.24 "Space Seed"
You say you say you want a REvolution?...
-->It was only after I lost everything, that I realized: I was free to do anything...
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And here I was thinking with a thread title like that that it would be about concerns that we are treading on dubious territory with the commentary project side of things, which is giving script and images at a level that pushes the envelope of fair use for review purposes...
This sort of fanac is part of the internet gift economy.
V wrote:I'm simply worried about people stealing stuff from the site.
This sort of fanac is part of the internet gift economy.
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There are recent moves in the works to make the GFDL compatible with some Creative Commons licenses; more importantly, the Creative Commons licenses are much better written for wiki-style editing. I propose moving to Creative Commons BY-SA before moving on.
It is possible to set up a wiki in such a way that contributing authors surrender their copyright to a central authority such that it is all owned by the "EvaGeeks Foundation" or some such thing. This would allow multiple-licensing of the text such that a rewritten book could be published. Even doing this, however, will probably start to put burdens on contributors' goodwill, and the print market is largely dead anyway.
If you really want people to contribute, you need to use BY-SA terms. I would not contribute to a wiki that didn't allow free/libre re-use.
Oh, and V, if Gainax took your view of copyright, they would probably block your creation of any sort of unofficial Evangelion guide, much as J.K. Rowling is currently attempting to do.
It is possible to set up a wiki in such a way that contributing authors surrender their copyright to a central authority such that it is all owned by the "EvaGeeks Foundation" or some such thing. This would allow multiple-licensing of the text such that a rewritten book could be published. Even doing this, however, will probably start to put burdens on contributors' goodwill, and the print market is largely dead anyway.
If you really want people to contribute, you need to use BY-SA terms. I would not contribute to a wiki that didn't allow free/libre re-use.
Oh, and V, if Gainax took your view of copyright, they would probably block your creation of any sort of unofficial Evangelion guide, much as J.K. Rowling is currently attempting to do.
One more thought, if we used something other than BY-SA it would probably be difficult for us to transclude text from Wikipedia (which may be useful at some point).
Be happy to take a look at it, but probably not until this coming weekend.
Ornette wrote:@drinian: any interest in writing up the copyrights page? (I wrote up a temporary one that outlines some of what you've mentioned)
Be happy to take a look at it, but probably not until this coming weekend.
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drinian wrote:much as J.K. Rowling is currently attempting to do.
Wow, that's stupid. Unofficial guides for things ARE able to be made, provided credit is given where credit is due. eg, this: http://www.warriorsoflegend.com/ (No, I haven't read or ordered the darn thing yet though I want to.)
Anyway, I agree that copyleft is a good way to go since that's the only way we could use screenshots, transcripts, and the like
Also, we probably should create a separate copyright notice for essays, etc because of this little tidbit that shows when you edit pages:
Please note that all contributions to The NGE Fan-Geeks Project are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (see Project:Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!
Mr. Tines wrote:about concerns that we are treading on dubious territory with the commentary project side of things, which is giving script and images at a level that pushes the envelope of fair use for review purposes...
I'm concerned about that, myself. Getting my ass sued in spite of being a poor full-time college student sounds like a whole lot of No Fun.
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Sailor Star Dust wrote:Also, we probably should create a separate copyright notice for essays, etc because of this little tidbit that shows when you edit pages:Please note that all contributions to The NGE Fan-Geeks Project are considered to be released under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (see Project:Copyrights for details). If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!
The only changes I can think of that needs to be done is the notice at the bottom of all the pages saying that everything is in the mediawiki is under the GFDL (or commons, or whatever copyleft we choose to use) EXCEPT WHEN EXPLICITLY STATED. Also, at the bottom, I suggest adding that Evangelion etc etc is copyrighted by GAINAX, Khara, etc etc. I don't know how you edit what's at the bottom of the page, maybe one of the mediawiki admins can do this.
So are we sticking with the GFDL? If we wanted to move to CC-BY-SA, now would be the time before there's too many people who have to agree to the license change.
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drinian wrote:So are we sticking with the GFDL? If we wanted to move to CC-BY-SA, now would be the time before there's too many people who have to agree to the license change.
creative commons is fine by me, it's more in line for digitally distributed media (like a website). We should probably get some of the other people to OK it first though (or just do it and change it back if people complain).
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BUMPING this.
So, is everyone cool with moving to the Creative Commons Share Alike public license? I think I'll be able to change all of the links and images to the GNU FDL to the CC-SA link and image without much suffering. Afterwards, the copyright page needs to be edited a bit to reflect the CC-SA license.
Also, I can add a copyright notice at the bottom of the forums saying that the content of the forums are owned by the users who posted it. Is that reasonable?
So, is everyone cool with moving to the Creative Commons Share Alike public license? I think I'll be able to change all of the links and images to the GNU FDL to the CC-SA link and image without much suffering. Afterwards, the copyright page needs to be edited a bit to reflect the CC-SA license.
Also, I can add a copyright notice at the bottom of the forums saying that the content of the forums are owned by the users who posted it. Is that reasonable?
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No problem with CC-SA.
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yeah ok, make sure the usual "the names "Evangelion", all character names, etc. are property of Gainax, etc." stuff.
Who is "Codename V"?....
I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game...so catch me if you can!! (0:50)
"Superior ability breeds superior ambition" -- Spock, Star Trek TOS episode 1.24 "Space Seed"
You say you say you want a REvolution?...
-->It was only after I lost everything, that I realized: I was free to do anything...
I'm pleased to meet you and I hope you guessed my name, but what's puzzling you, is the nature of my game...so catch me if you can!! (0:50)
"Superior ability breeds superior ambition" -- Spock, Star Trek TOS episode 1.24 "Space Seed"
You say you say you want a REvolution?...
-->It was only after I lost everything, that I realized: I was free to do anything...
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BUMP
So no problems with changing the license over?
Just so it's easier to look over the CC-SA license:
General Overview: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Explicit Legal Code of the CC by SA license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode
If nobody has any problems, I'm going to change this over.
So no problems with changing the license over?
Just so it's easier to look over the CC-SA license:
General Overview: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
Explicit Legal Code of the CC by SA license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode
If nobody has any problems, I'm going to change this over.
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Looks okay to me. No objection.
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You're either really bad at interpreting jokes or really good at pretending you are and I have no idea which.-Monk Ed
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The main point of idiocy is for the smart to have their lulz. Without human idiocy, trolling would not exist, and that's uncool, since a large part of my entertainment consists of mocking the absurdity and dumbassery of the world, especially the Internet.-MaggotMaster
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OMF, I thought I'd bump this thread in case you hadn't seen it. Do you think it's worth changing over to a CC-SA license at all?
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You're either really bad at interpreting jokes or really good at pretending you are and I have no idea which.-Monk Ed
WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!(<-link to lunacy)...Taste me, if you can bear it. (Warning: Language NSFW)
The main point of idiocy is for the smart to have their lulz. Without human idiocy, trolling would not exist, and that's uncool, since a large part of my entertainment consists of mocking the absurdity and dumbassery of the world, especially the Internet.-MaggotMaster
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You're either really bad at interpreting jokes or really good at pretending you are and I have no idea which.-Monk Ed
WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!(<-link to lunacy)...Taste me, if you can bear it. (Warning: Language NSFW)
The main point of idiocy is for the smart to have their lulz. Without human idiocy, trolling would not exist, and that's uncool, since a large part of my entertainment consists of mocking the absurdity and dumbassery of the world, especially the Internet.-MaggotMaster
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