Operation: Yashima Question

[Rave_Epic]

Alright, so, everyone knows there are a few cam-rip clips of Operation Yashima going around.

I happened to notice that when Rei blocks the incoming attack with the new shield, Misato says "How much longer?" and Hyuuga replies with "20 seconds." Is this is an error? In the original series(Atleast with the subtitles that I have seen) he says 10 seconds.

Obviously I'm asking because I don't know if the subs I've seen(of the original series) are correct.

It only makes sense that it would be 10 seconds because don't they state that the shield only lasts 20? Unless in Rebuild it can last 30.

[JP]

Rebuild doesnt contain every second of the show, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[THE Hal E. Burton 9000]

it's a plothole

and there are a-plenty the universe of Evangelion

[NAveryW]

it's a plothole

So it does indeed still only last twenty seconds in Rebuild?

[Rave_Epic]

it's a plothole

So it does indeed still only last twenty seconds in Rebuild?

I'm glad you asked that, NAveryW. The two above posters didn't answer it.

If I wasn't worried about it, I wouldn't ask it.

Edit: It can't be a plot hole if it's in the original series. He said 10 seconds for a reason in the series. That's how long the shield had left. Shinji beat the clock.

If it's 20 in Rebuild, Shinji wouldn't need to be so hasty like he is. The scene in Rebuild is more epic, more intense and if it was indeed a subtitle mishap, no harm done. It SOUNDS like he's saying the exact same thing in both editions. The problem is subtitles have been known to be wrong(rly? I've heard ADV bombed a lot of the series) and that's why I need conformation

[Ornette]

If someone who understands Japanese and has that mp3 wants to, they can grab my timestamps and do a quick verification. Other than that, maybe one of the handful of people here who has seen Rebuild and remembers this particular detail can clear it up, I don't remember what was said.

[CtHuLhU]

@Ornette maybe also you have a full timestamps? after translation of subs i'm so laaaazy for doing it =)

[Ornette]

@Ornette maybe also you have a full timestamps? after translation of subs for me to do it so laaaazy =)

I don't have anything more detailed than those. It was hard enough writing that much down in the theatre.

[AchtungAffen]

Weva 1.0 script (Japanese)
Part 1

Part 2

[Wevangeliwon]

From what I can see, it is actually twenty seconds. They didn't mistranslate. Everything doesn't have to be the exact same thing in Rebuild.

[Sailor Star Dust]

*head-desk* I think Youtube DELETED!! those film festival clips, because I can't find 'em.

Looking thru the Script, however... *giggles at Shinji's nervousness during the ZOMG Rei'S NAKED scene*

「まだなの?!
「あと20秒!」
「はやく……はやく……!!」

Misato: How much longer?!
Hyuga(?): 20 more seconds!
Shinji: Hurry....Hurry....!!

Anyway, I don't see the big deal about the script change. Shinji STILL has to fire that shot at a certain time or else it's all over, after all.


EDIT: Holy crap, the film DOES have an Eyecatch? Is it the tv series/EoE Style? ;__;

[UrsusArctos]

Yep, he did use the word "Ni-ju", or twenty. Rei was being cooked even when something was left of the shield, so if it had lasted a few seconds longer, she'd have been killed outright. I don't see anything big in this...although I wonder what the shield is made of. What kind of material can take a beam like that for so long? Any mention of "anti-electromagnetic coatings" or anything that could explain the shield's unique resilience?

[NAveryW]

I think the real question was whether the total time was thirty seconds here, as it was originally just twenty.

[Rave_Epic]

I think the real question was whether the total time was thirty seconds here, as it was originally just twenty.

You win again.

I'm curious as to why everyone keeps saying I shouldn't worry about it or it's not a big deal. You guys forget that this is EvaGeeks. If something isn't right and I know about, I want to find the correct answer!

Thanks for lurking through the script and stuff. So, Hyuuga DOES say 20 in the movie...hmm...

I just checked the ADV's Renewal dub and Hyuuga says 10 seconds. I'm curious as to why Rebuild has more scenes(Land being removed, the shield cracking multiple times) AND has more time before the shield gets destroyed. You would think it would be the opposite.

Again, I appreciate the replies. I'm not trying to be rude or anything like that, but I'm a pretty hardcore fan of this damn good series.

[cat42]

I just checked the ADV's Renewal dub and Hyuuga says 10 seconds. I'm curious as to why Rebuild has more scenes(Land being removed, the shield cracking multiple times) AND has more time before the shield gets destroyed. You would think it would be the opposite.

Because remaking Operation Yashima is what Anno claims was a big motivation in making Rebuild.

[Rave_Epic]

I just checked the ADV's Renewal dub and Hyuuga says 10 seconds. I'm curious as to why Rebuild has more scenes(Land being removed, the shield cracking multiple times) AND has more time before the shield gets destroyed. You would think it would be the opposite.

Because remaking Operation Yashima is what Anno claims was a big motivation in making Rebuild.

You misread or maybe I wasn't clear enough..either way.

What I meant was, more scenes = more time elapsed before Hyuuga says 20 seconds left. 10 seconds would make more sense. This is weird, indeed.

[Wevangeliwon]

I just checked the ADV's Renewal dub and Hyuuga says 10 seconds. I'm curious as to why Rebuild has more scenes(Land being removed, the shield cracking multiple times) AND has more time before the shield gets destroyed. You would think it would be the opposite.

Because remaking Operation Yashima is what Anno claims was a big motivation in making Rebuild.

Quote or article? I am curious. I know he said that he wanted to make it more epic, but apart from that.


Anno has changed stuff around in Rebuild. They also do that with stuff all the time. They say a minute remains on something, and it is shorter or longer in actual on screen time. Hyuuga definitely says 'ni-jyu', which is twenty. I have no doubt it is just something Anno just decided upon to change. It's not a mistranslation and it is definitely changed. From looking at the script and my limited Japanese along with subs, he has change the phrasing of some things, so I would not find it unbelievable he put a new time limit on, maybe to give Shinji more time to fire. Maybe he thought it was unrealistic Shinji could re-fire in ten seconds and the fact the shield would be so weak it couldn't take more time.

[Ornette]

It's possible that they never mentioned how long the shield can withstand Ramiel's beam. Also, after the first blast from Ramiel, the positron emplacement was destroyed, so Shinji had to hold the gun up using the Eva instead of using the emplacement, which may have something to do with why it took 20 seconds for him to aim although it seemed to be shorter than that. All hell was breaking loose and there was a lot going on during those 20 seconds.

[Rave_Epic]

"They say a minute remains on something, and it is shorter or longer in actual on screen time."

I have to agree with you there. DragonBall Z anyone? However, don't you find it weird that there are more scenes going on after Ramiel shoots Rei in the movie as opposed to the series, but the time is extended? That's the only part that doesn't make sense to me. Hmm..but this is Anno we're talking about here.

"Maybe he thought it was unrealistic Shinji could re-fire in ten seconds and the fact the shield would be so weak it couldn't take more time."

Heh, before we question it being unrealistic for Shinji to fire that shot, I gotta go look at the huge transforming-hedron-ish creature shooting beams at two gigantic humanized robots...who is being shot at by one of the robots with the biggest sniper rifle in the world..


...with positron beams.

Unrealistic doesn't fit in Eva.

[Ornette]

However, don't you find it weird that there are more scenes going on after Ramiel shoots Rei in the movie as opposed to the series, but the time is extended?

I'm not sure if I'm following you here. Wouldn't inserting more scenes between A and B imply that it lasts longer? (A=when Ramiel fires and Rei blocks, B=when Shinji returns fire for the second time, after the 20 seconds).